Middle class blues

[13177]

No offence, from my experience, people who are good in talking always think that they are also good in doing the job. but their colleagues tend to think otherwise.

I think the person interviewing these people think that they are good in doing the job, that's why these people always able to secure a job.

[13177]

2nd tat... I am also the communicator in my company between PRCs/ Hongkies/ Malaysians and Americans/ British/ Irish.

 

A simple rule of thumb... as a communicator.. you can always reduce problems... 10 to 3, 3 to nothing... colleagues/customers/bosses will be grateful... trust me...

 

And to add on... my ex-colleague whom the current company is trying to send over to Europe for overseas posting got his visa rejected....

 

REJECTION REASON FROM IMMIGRATION: Current operation is already set up for 5-years; their own pple should be able to do the job.

 

Now this is a govt that is doing its job... wonder wat our million dollar paid garment is doing.....

I believe many countries would not want to bring in so many forigners into their work force, as they feel that their own people is able to do the job. Unlike the govt here, they always think their own people not able and dont want to do the job.

[Toapayohkid]

I believe many countries would not want to bring in so many forigners into their work force, as they feel that their own people is able to do the job. Unlike the govt here, they always think their own people not able and dont want to do the job.

 

depends on what job. you want to be kopi kia, do construction, cleaning etc?

[Mustank]

wah high TFR

 

born and bred singaporeans lose

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/REACHSingapore/pos...151152420902227

 

"Permanent residents contribute in other ways

Letter from Cherie Ball

 

SECOND-generation permanent residents (PRs) who are required to serve National Service (NS) are typically children of professionals who already contribute greatly to the economic progress of Singapore through the work that they do and the taxes that they pay.

 

Educational background, skills, proof of employment and continued ability to contribute appear to be key criteria for one's PR application.

 

In recent years, benefits given to Singapore PRs have been so watered down that being a PR is not that much different than being a Personal Employment Pass holder - apart from the right to live and work freely in Singapore and some hospital subsidies.

 

PRs also need to have their re-entry permit renewed every five years, which means the residency status granted is not really "permanent".

 

Why should a second-generation PR, who holds citizenship in another country, be required to serve NS to "give back" to Singapore, when they typically belong to a family of PRs who already contribute significantly to the country's economy?

 

And being a second-generation PR increases the likelihood of this person settling in Singapore after completing university to work and contribute. Isn't this another way of giving back later on?"

 

(This letter to TODAY was later removed from TodayOnline, writer is a Pinay married to ang-moh)

 

Song Boh?

[Bobby_tan]

I have pointed those problems within the education system for donkey years and seriously, I think it's still not address even until today.

 

People are still OBSESSED with good grades even in the employment market.

 

And this is why SG creativity levels are the lowest in the world. Other countries that are not obsessed with grades (i.e. Sweden, Finland, Canada) are all doing so much better than Singapore even though they don't focus on grades. Coincidence?

[Solar]

2nd tat... I am also the communicator in my company between PRCs/ Hongkies/ Malaysians and Americans/ British/ Irish.

 

A simple rule of thumb... as a communicator.. you can always reduce problems... 10 to 3, 3 to nothing... colleagues/customers/bosses will be grateful... trust me...

 

And to add on... my ex-colleague whom the current company is trying to send over to Europe for overseas posting got his visa rejected....

 

REJECTION REASON FROM IMMIGRATION: Current operation is already set up for 5-years; their own pple should be able to do the job.

 

Now this is a govt that is doing its job... wonder wat our million dollar paid garment is doing.....

 

if you think along the line of 'gdp at all costs' and 'boosting population/birth rate', you wouldn't be wondering.

[Voodooman]

Working in a place where 90% of my peers are real foreign talents, from your 3rd world asian countries like china and india, to advanced economy like korea and Japan, and even "atas" ang moh countries, I can honestly tell you that foreign talents are over-rated. Their communication skills are equally bad. Put all these people around the same meeting table, the singaporean usually has to end up being the translator because the aussie guy cannot understand the indian, the frenchs and germans can barely speak english properly, and the prc prefer to speak in mandrain. And then there will always be this asian with inferior complex who think the ang moh is looking down on him, or this occasional russian who the ang moh think is farking rude...Sometimes I do wish I have a chance to see how meetings are conducted at UN. As for real capability, some are good, some are bad. Just a mixed bag.

 

Those who can really communicate well, are, honestly, just good salesman, sorry, I mean business managers, who hardly know what they are talking about.

 

Anyway, it is not this group of real foreign talents that is depressing your middle class wage because most sinkie probably can't do their work anyway. It is the foreign talent wannabes who come here with degrees (possibly bought from a black market) and start depressing the wage by asking for 2k pay. Employers here are also one of a kind, you give them a chance to unlimited supply of cheap foreign worker, sorry, I mean "talent", they will never hire singaporeans at singaporean price again, even when the tap supply is off. They just whine that sinkies are not taking up available jobs, while Sinkies complain the pay is too low. There you have it, this is how the middle class dream died and everybody became labelled as strawberry. Price of everything went up, but wages didn't even catch up remotely close. I don't think we have a right to criticise the young because we didn't have to pay 350k for a 4rm bto, squeeze in crazy mrt that is even packed on weekend mornings, or compete with pinoys or indians asking 2k for a job that requires a masters degree.

 

Then again, the goverment can screw the people over and over again because people will stay here anyway. If it wasn't because of the low crime rate and the fact that I can sleep here at night without worrying about earthquakes or tropical storm, I would have already left.

 

You understand the middle class dilemma well. Well said.

 

But there are others who went to the best school on scholarship (family or otherwise), live in prime district, drive a luxury continental car and label you now and then as a strawberry who is constantly whinning. So just acknowledge the dreams have "dieded" and be glad you still have food on the table and a roof over your head, be contented.

[13177]

depends on what job. you want to be kopi kia, do construction, cleaning etc?

Dont understand the rationale behind?! Always said that no people here want to be kopi kia, construction and cleaning, then how about in other countries? Who are the people who are doing all these jobs?

[Acemundo]

https://www.facebook.com/REACHSingapore/pos...151152420902227

 

"Permanent residents contribute in other ways

Letter from Cherie Ball

 

SECOND-generation permanent residents (PRs) who are required to serve National Service (NS) are typically children of professionals who already contribute greatly to the economic progress of Singapore through the work that they do and the taxes that they pay.

 

Educational background, skills, proof of employment and continued ability to contribute appear to be key criteria for one's PR application.

 

In recent years, benefits given to Singapore PRs have been so watered down that being a PR is not that much different than being a Personal Employment Pass holder - apart from the right to live and work freely in Singapore and some hospital subsidies.

 

PRs also need to have their re-entry permit renewed every five years, which means the residency status granted is not really "permanent".

 

Why should a second-generation PR, who holds citizenship in another country, be required to serve NS to "give back" to Singapore, when they typically belong to a family of PRs who already contribute significantly to the country's economy?

 

And being a second-generation PR increases the likelihood of this person settling in Singapore after completing university to work and contribute. Isn't this another way of giving back later on?"

 

(This letter to TODAY was later removed from TodayOnline, writer is a Pinay married to ang-moh)

 

Song Boh?

 

this type of reasoning is like :-

 

1) new comers to a place always contribute

2) existing folks at a place never contribute

[Jman888]

And this is why SG creativity levels are the lowest in the world. Other countries that are not obsessed with grades (i.e. Sweden, Finland, Canada) are all doing so much better than Singapore even though they don't focus on grades. Coincidence?

 

 

you are so wrong, says this report... [laugh]

 

Singapore slips to No. 7 most innovative in the world: Survey

By Grace Chng Senior Correspondent

Published on Jul 02, 2013

 

Singapore has been ranked the seventh most innovative among 142 economies surveyed by business school Insead for the Global Innovation Index 2013.

 

But this is four places lower than the third position it garnered last year, according to the report, released yesterday.

 

Mr Bruno Lanvin, the report's co-editor and executive director of Insead's European Competitiveness Initiative, said methods for the ranking were tweaked this year, adding, among other things, an emphasis on quality and impact. As a result, the United States shot up to third position from 10th.

 

Singapore is one of two Asian economies in the top 10, the other being Hong Kong, in sixth spot on the Global Innovation Index (GII). Switzerland and Sweden took the top two positions respectively.

Edited July 2, 2013 by Jman888

[Toapayohkid]

Dont understand the rationale behind?! Always said that no people here want to be kopi kia, construction and cleaning, then how about in other countries? Who are the people who are doing all these jobs?

 

in other coutry their thinking different. here is nobody wants to do. fact. you speak to any sme. you go FnB and retail outlets in malls. common to see help wanted signs. some jobs we don't want to do. its our culture.

[Jayy25]

seriously some foreigners really need to take a hard look at themselves...

if they are damm good then jolly well leave SG to hop on to other great superpowers... if SG cannot treat you well..

 

why bother staying in SG and then KPKB that they are not treated like kings or queens....

 

bloody hell.....this govt has "spoil" those foreigners.. like what my mum always say to me when she wack me for being disobedient.... "if i spare the rod now, some day you will be bolder and you will defied and challenge the house rules...."

 

how true is that.....

[Jman888]

Dont understand the rationale behind?! Always said that no people here want to be kopi kia, construction and cleaning, then how about in other countries? Who are the people who are doing all these jobs?

 

 

in Malaysia, also in HK, they also have a lot of FW doing those job. Malaysia is as bad as singapore, Singapore chinese restaurant at least they hire PRC who can communicate with most, up north they have Myanmar working in F&B :wacko:

[Mockngbrd]

Working in a place where 90% of my peers are real foreign talents, from your 3rd world asian countries like china and india, to advanced economy like korea and Japan, and even "atas" ang moh countries, I can honestly tell you that foreign talents are over-rated. Their communication skills are equally bad. Put all these people around the same meeting table, the singaporean usually has to end up being the translator because the aussie guy cannot understand the indian, the frenchs and germans can barely speak english properly, and the prc prefer to speak in mandrain. And then there will always be this asian with inferior complex who think the ang moh is looking down on him, or this occasional russian who the ang moh think is farking rude...Sometimes I do wish I have a chance to see how meetings are conducted at UN. As for real capability, some are good, some are bad. Just a mixed bag.

 

Those who can really communicate well, are, honestly, just good salesman, sorry, I mean business managers, who hardly know what they are talking about.

 

Anyway, it is not this group of real foreign talents that is depressing your middle class wage because most sinkie probably can't do their work anyway. It is the foreign talent wannabes who come here with degrees (possibly bought from a black market) and start depressing the wage by asking for 2k pay. Employers here are also one of a kind, you give them a chance to unlimited supply of cheap foreign worker, sorry, I mean "talent", they will never hire singaporeans at singaporean price again, even when the tap supply is off. They just whine that sinkies are not taking up available jobs, while Sinkies complain the pay is too low. There you have it, this is how the middle class dream died and everybody became labelled as strawberry. Price of everything went up, but wages didn't even catch up remotely close. I don't think we have a right to criticise the young because we didn't have to pay 350k for a 4rm bto, squeeze in crazy mrt that is even packed on weekend mornings, or compete with pinoys or indians asking 2k for a job that requires a masters degree.

 

Then again, the goverment can screw the people over and over again because people will stay here anyway. If it wasn't because of the low crime rate and the fact that I can sleep here at night without worrying about earthquakes or tropical storm, I would have already left.

 

well said ...

 

[Evillusion]

Innovative lar...how they come up with reasoning when they want to increase their pay to match those in corporate world....and innovative also when they come up with excuse to supress our pay but still insist that sg is still affordable to the lower income. If these are not innovative idea i donno what is!

[Enye]

But there are others who went to the best school on scholarship (family or otherwise), live in prime district, drive a luxury continental car and label you now and then as a strawberry who is constantly whinning.

 

thats probably because they BELIEVE that their privileged background and powerful connections

 

did not play any part in their current successes

 

they achieved what they have through pure hard work only

 

and everybody who are not as wealthy as them are simply lazy

 

how can people living in ivory towers understand the difficulties that peasants face?

 

[Mustank]

Innovative lar...how they come up with reasoning when they want to increase their pay to match those in corporate world....and innovative also when they come up with excuse to supress our pay but still insist that sg is still affordable to the lower income. If these are not innovative idea i donno what is!

 

support support!!!!

[13177]

in Malaysia, also in HK, they also have a lot of FW doing those job. Malaysia is as bad as singapore, Singapore chinese restaurant at least they hire PRC who can communicate with most, up north they have Myanmar working in F&B :wacko:

Seems like in those countries, even there are FT/FW doing those jobs but the number of FW/FT doesnt seem as many as here?! Over here sometimes i really feel that i am in foreigner country, as all the people around me are foreigners!