KIA Stinger GT

[Vinceng]

Passat specs is a bit lower (i probably rather top up a bit more and get an A5 sportback) and also quite a different kind of car/clientele as stinger (maybe the CC would be more comparable). As for 5 series, the cheapest i see is 520i which is $263k+. Not sure where you saw the $226k 530i SE? And also i don't think it is the same kind of car/clientele as stinger. Again, A5 Sportback might be a closer comparison but will definitely lose out in performance-to-price. 

 

 

From parallel importers

Edited December 28, 2017 by Vinceng

[Cttan456]

Sadly true. So only value-conscious, brand-unconscious premium car buyers and/or buyers who want something that stands out from the crowd (and yet cost less) and "dare to be different" will buy it. I mean if i was going to splash $200k+ on an A5 SB and suddenly i can save $10k-$15k yet get significantly more performance then hey, why not?

 

I can say that if a Stinger arrives at a place alongside a 5 series/E class/A5, etc, I am sure it will be the Stinger that will attract all the attention.

 

I second that...Singapore with its absurd pricing due to the F**K COE/ARF there may still be a small number of people who will have a go at the Stinger for it lower price and higher performance and equipment comapared to ljuxury brands but globally where cars cost 1/3 or 1/4 what they cost here, people are much more adventurous and will more like buy it because USD50K for the top spec 3.3  is no big deal for developed countries like US,Canada, Europe and Australia where the Stinger is the most anticipated car of the year and the best part after all the test drives it lives up to or exceeds the hype. 

[Karoon]

Its got a good review from james may on last week's grand tour

[Vinceng]

 Stinger 3.3 retails at SGD40K in the USA.

 

Not worth to pay  a hefty premium of $226K for one in Singapore

Stinger 40K.pdf

Edited December 28, 2017 by Vinceng

[Cttan456]

 Stinger 3.3 retails at SGD40K in the USA.

 

Not worth to pay  a hefty premium of $226K for one in Singapore

 

the top spec US 3.3 Stinger is USD50K

 

The 3.3 Stinger for Singapore is the top spec version which sells for USD50K in USA, not SGD40K

 

Due to the COE and ARF and Excise duties and GST and whatever,  we are paying a hefty premium for every car, every brand, every model. A Toyota Corolla cost USD20k in USA and what are we paying for here?

[Nzy]

IMHO

 

A very pretty head turner with many design elements from Merc, BMW, Maserati and Audi. Gears and Spec are also very exciting. The price is rather steep for a Korean brand, which is new in this segment. Budget car buyers are not in this price range and premium car buyers are not in this brand. To capture market share, I think Kia needs to do better on price before attempt to level up the game.  

 

Brand aside, it is still tempting to consider this car with such look and spec.

 

I guess SG market is too small for them to bother about trying to attract more buyers. Their cars doing well in the bigger markets already so no need to lower price even more to compete.

[Sdf4786k]

Hyundai Genesis 3.8 was selling at $230K, when Cat B COE was at a high of $70K in 2015 - and sold barely a few units todate.

 

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/230k-hyundai-020545780.html

 

 

Hyundai Genesis - $90K depreciation in 36 months

 

http://www.sgcarmart.com/used_cars/info.php?ID=703666&DL=2927

 

 

What's so distinct of the Stinger 3.3 to command  a selling price of $226K with Cat B COE at $47K no

hard to convince a sane person to fork out that kind of money. 

 

a closer range would be in between K5 price and sorento.

 

but thats just wishful thinking  

[Sdf4786k]

The 3.3 is cheaper than the A4 20T, 328i and has almost the performance of the 340i and S4.

 

It is a bargain for what you get. Just that most Singkies are badge snobs. Good for me if I decide to buy.

 

I am sure the similar argument can be had for the Proton wira vs the Lancer 

 

Or 

 

Honda Accord vs Proton Perdana

 

Both while not available here sells in volume across the causeway.

 

The SG market is a little twisted in the brand awareness vs What you are getting.

 

Only place where brand and snob appeal is absent is which supermarket you buy the same brand of rich from or what bus you took to come to work in SMRT or SBS?

 

Drill down a Stinger while it is design well. RnD by the previous BMW M suspension chief really mean nothing to many. After all, not many buy cars and say I bought a corolla for the handling dynamics.

 

I bought a Vios because the nice power band was intoxicating or the blip of the exos on change down from a mazda 3 was really nice.

 

So you have a pool of people that is really limited to CAT A 130 Bhp, Cat B and open Cat

 

Those that buy Camry will still to reliability ( lets leave the recall of brakes and Airbag aside) as well as fuel efficiency.

 

So we really looking at the people who buys Mark X, Lexus IS and Infinity and to a lesser degree Jag XE diesel and Volvo S60 T2.

 

These cars are smack in the price range of affordability meets driving enjoyment.

 

The convincing part would be price, and reliability. Throw in 10 years free servicing and warranty and build the brand awareness from there would probably help pry money from buyers hands.

[Soya]

hard to convince a sane person to fork out that kind of money.

 

a closer range would be in between K5 price and sorento.

 

but thats just wishful thinking

The Stinger is the range topper. Pricing it higher than Sorento is expected

 

The fact that the Sorento cost much more than the Outlander, X-Trail, CRV is oredi a reality

 

Ppl juz gotta get used to the idea that upper end kimchi car is a world class product n doesn't always mean cheap n cheerful

[Ake109]

I am sure the similar argument can be had for the Proton wira vs the Lancer 

 

Or 

 

Honda Accord vs Proton Perdana

 

 

 Got 1 major difference in these analogies.

 

The Wira and the Perdana likely have worse reliability compared to Lancer and Galant.

 

The Kia would likely have better reliability than Audi/BMW.

 

The Wira/Perdana were also clones of previous generation. Stinger fights on same generation.

 

But in the end yes, badge snobs will win in Singapore when it comes to cars.

 

At 204k I thought was a done deal for me, now nearly 230k, also thinking wtf.

[Mkl22]

 Got 1 major difference in these analogies.

 

The Wira and the Perdana likely have worse reliability compared to Lancer and Galant.

 

The Kia would likely have better reliability than Audi/BMW.

 

The Wira/Perdana were also clones of previous generation. Stinger fights on same generation.

 

But in the end yes, badge snobs will win in Singapore when it comes to cars.

 

At 204k I thought was a done deal for me, now nearly 230k, also thinking wtf.

 

yes, you have to pay to be unique and not be a follower of the crowd. unless you keep the stinger 3.3 for 10years, else gonna bleed harder and take a longer time to sell than a regular prestige car.

[Theoldjaffa]

Got 1 major difference in these analogies.

 

The Wira and the Perdana likely have worse reliability compared to Lancer and Galant.

 

The Kia would likely have better reliability than Audi/BMW.

 

The Wira/Perdana were also clones of previous generation. Stinger fights on same generation.

 

But in the end yes, badge snobs will win in Singapore when it comes to cars.

 

At 204k I thought was a done deal for me, now nearly 230k, also thinking wtf.

Think it was stated earlier, 204k is nett price after overtrade.

 

Need to see the depre. I think if it's at 18k for the 3.3, still palatable.

[flashbang]

Sadly true. So only value-conscious, brand-unconscious premium car buyers and/or buyers who want something that stands out from the crowd (and yet cost less) and "dare to be different" will buy it. I mean if i was going to splash $200k+ on an A5 SB and suddenly i can save $10k-$15k yet get significantly more performance then hey, why not?

 

I can say that if a Stinger arrives at a place alongside a 5 series/E class/A5, etc, I am sure it will be the Stinger that will attract all the attention.

 

Between a A5 SB and 3.3L Stinger, I'll take the A5 SB any time. 3.3L is a bit overpowered for SG, the 2L in the A5 is the sweet spot. Not to mention premium conti quality and badge from the A5.

[Holdenutessv]

3.3L is a bit overpowered for SG

 

Even more with just a tune, people are getting past the 400whp mark. 

[flashbang]

Even more with just a tune, people are getting past the 400whp mark. 

 

Yes but where are you going with your 400whp? During the traffic jam, even the ferrari and lambo behind me cant do anything about it....

 

IMO a 2L turbo is great for SG, next is to have luxurious interior and features so you can enjoy the drive.

[Sopskysalat]

Stinger 3.3 retails at SGD40K in the USA.

 

Not worth to pay a hefty premium of $226K for one in Singapore

I think 40k USD can get many premium cars. Not just Kia

[hondafanodyseey]

Yes but where are you going with your 400whp? During the traffic jam, even the ferrari and lambo behind me cant do anything about it....

 

IMO a 2L turbo is great for SG, next is to have luxurious interior and features so you can enjoy the drive.

So does the 2.0l stinger have luxury interior?

[flashbang]

So does the 2.0l stinger have luxury interior?

 

I don't know, but I was referring to the A5 SB