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inlinesix

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Why do you think they're located there? It's in Little India. LTA Occifers can learn to flip prata from the best of the best!! [laugh]

 

I don't know le.  That's why must ask

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ER-3682

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Why do you think they're located there? It's in Little India. LTA Occifers can learn to flip prata from the best of the best!! [laugh]

Little India Office is in charge of MRT Construction....Sin Ming HQ then in charge everything.

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TangoElite

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hahaha

 

pretty much sums up the whole saga

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why do you think they're located there? It's in Little India. LTA Occifers can learn to flip prata from the best of the best!! [laugh]

 

 

next thing NEA opens two training branches at Jalan Kayu and Casuarina 

 

Cannot lose to LTA !! 

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1fast1

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hahaha

 

pretty much sums up the whole saga

 

 

 

That .gif was chosen with some care. "Expert" flips a cube endlessly, but still a facepalm fail at the end. Good metaphor for gahmen policies, yah? :D

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TangoElite

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That .gif was chosen with some care. "Expert" flips a cube endlessly, but still a facepalm fail at the end. Good metaphor for gahmen policies, yah? :D

 

reality-tv-scd-0812-1.jpg

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Carbon82

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Whatever the fine tuning, changes, U-turn to the VES scheme, there is ONE most important questions that is left unanswered:

 

Which particular Driving Cycle / Vehicle Emission Standard shall the results be based on?

 

OK, for those of you that are not so familiar with the above, there are currently 3 widely used Testing Standard, namely:

 

1) NEDC - New European Driving Cycle (Europe)

2) FTP-75 / EPA Federal Test Procedure (US)

3) JC08 (Japan)

 

Beside these, Korea, China, India, Australia, etc. also have their own testing standard for determining vehicle emission parameters.

 

Why is this so important? Well the very same car, when tested under different standard, will produce different results, even when under the same environment and load conditions. That is mainly due to the difference in driving cycle / patterns prescribed under the test standard.

 

Put it in layman term, standard A may call for the vehicle to accelerate from 0 - 80 Km/h in say 45 sec, while standard B call for vehicle to accelerate from 0 - 100 Km/h in say 50 sec, and so naturally the results will be different, because the rate of pick up and speed are different in both case (variables). And that is not all, the duration of idling, top speed in city / urban driving conditions varies too among the various standards.

 

Still confused? OK, here is a simpler illustration, a primary 6 student sit for PSLE exam in Singapore may not score the same results if he/she sit for PSAT exam in Malaysia and vice versa, although the topics are the same (syllabus and marking requirement varies).

 

A new driving cycle / test standard, known as WLTP (Worldwide harmonized Light vehicles Test Procedures) or WLTC (Worldwide harmonized Light vehicles Test Cycle) is already in the pipeline, and is targeted to be introduced and adopted by most auto manufacturers and countries before end of this year. I cannot comprehend why our LTA do not want to wait for this standard to be launched, before embarking on the new VES scheme. Going at this rate, further flipping of prata is inevitable in the next few months.

 

 

The Worldwide harmonized Light vehicles Test Procedure (WLTP) defines a global harmonized standard for determining the levels of pollutants and CO2 emissions, fuel or energy consumption, and electric range from light-duty vehicles (passenger cars and light commercial vans).

 

Experts from the European Union, Japan, and India under guidelines of UNECE World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations, are involved in the development of this new standard.

Here are the details (in chart form) on how the various driving cycles test varies. Not hard to imagine how FC (and emissions) would be affected with top speed increase from 80 to 130kmh. So anyone here still think Japanese car are more frugal, than say a conti make?

 

 

Japanese Standard - Top speed limited to 80Kmh (previous 10 - 15 mode has speed limited to just 60Kmh)

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US Standard - Top Speed at ~100Kmh

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EU Standard - Top speed at ~120Kmh

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Harmonized Standard - Top speed raised to 130Kmh

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PrashanthSP

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I am confused. just tell me buy now or wait till when?

 

Good time to buy is before Nov/Dec, if the particular car you are looking at is getting affected by 2018 CEVS. 

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Spidey10

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How about those old Euro 4/5 cars? Are they able to pass inspection for Euro VI emission standards? If can, then basically they are Euro 6 emission standards capable, so why change to Euro 6 for new car from Jan 2018? If cannot pass Euro 6, then how? Car cannot drive or slap with penalties? Just my doubts, checked with LTA/ NEA website, not much details available.

Then Gov buy your car at your purchase price? you then go but another EU 6 compliant car....swee boh!

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inlinesix

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https://www.lta.gov.sg/apps/news/page.aspx?c=2&id=0f05bf29-8c68-469e-bf9e-19808f1ddb13

 

 

Emission Factor for Electric and Plug-in Hybrid Vehicles under the Vehicular Emissions Scheme

LTA has now completed its review of the emission factor, which will be fixed at 0.4 g CO2/Wh for the duration of the VES. The fixed emission factor will provide the industry with greater certainty in planning for the importation of EVs and PHEVs, and is based on the latest 2016 Electricity Grid Emission Factor[1] published by the Energy Market Authority (EMA), which is 0.4244 g CO2/Wh.

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Blueray

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no idea what they are talking about? Any gurus here can translate these information that have a $ value and impact on the price of cars next year?

 

My understanding is ....

 

Currently plug-in hybrid and electric cars not subjected to any penalty cos no emission.

 

Going forward, will be subjected to VES but one factor only : CO2, because power is drawn from the grid which does produce CO2. 

 

Amount to be determined at a later stage. 

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Spidey10

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My understanding is ....

 

Currently plug-in hybrid and electric cars not subjected to any penalty cos no emission.

 

Going forward, will be subjected to VES but one factor only : CO2, because power is drawn from the grid which does produce CO2.

 

Amount to be determined at a later stage.

Tqvm....means hv to wait..
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inlinesix

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My understanding is ....

 

Currently plug-in hybrid and electric cars not subjected to any penalty cos no emission.

 

Going forward, will be subjected to VES but one factor only : CO2, because power is drawn from the grid which does produce CO2. 

 

Amount to be determined at a later stage. 

 

That's the purpose of the announcement.

 

1 wh = 0.4g CO2.

 

The only problem i see is how to convert it into CO2 per km.

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Nhyone

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LTA just can't accept that some vehicles are exempted from their tax scheme.

 

By doing this, LTA is double charging. You have already paid for your electricity, now you have to pay another tax on top of it just because you use it to charge a car.

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Raychay

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LTA just can't accept that some vehicles are exempted from their tax scheme.

 

By doing this, LTA is double charging. You have already paid for your electricity, now you have to pay another tax on top of it just because you use it to charge a car.

 

Pay and pay

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Soya

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My understanding is ....

 

Currently plug-in hybrid and electric cars not subjected to any penalty cos no emission.

 

Going forward, will be subjected to VES but one factor only : CO2, because power is drawn from the grid which does produce CO2.

 

Amount to be determined at a later stage.

I no need to read LTA's long winded notice oso I know it says pay more $$$$.

 

Under VES elec plug in car oso considered not green. Piangzzz

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Victor68

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anything that i not related to actual import of car cost but tax related, you can be assued it is going up. going down mean it is snowing here hahaha

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