Reckless Cyclist

[Lethalstrike]

9 minutes ago, Spidey10 said:

maybe G can come out with some law say....

1st time offence - fine and demerit points

2nd time offence - fine, demerit points and confiscate bike

3rd time offence - fine, demerit points, confiscate bike and jail term

4th time offence - fine $100,000 and jail term not less than 1 yr....

Not say cannot, if a demerit point system is useful, then a licensing frame work has to be in place first.

Just not too long ago, I think deeper and I've wrote a lengthy post here highlighting what are some of the grey areas and implications of bicycle licensing. The conclusion I had is that if it's that easily done, the govt would have already done so and made it a cashcow a long time ago even before the motorists protested. The foreseeable difficulties are mostly the grey areas of enforcement, the costs to administer the entire framework and even the overall effectiveness of it. All taxpayers including motorists had to chip in to administer the licensing system, just like Road Tax was paid for by all taxpayers not just motorists alone. 

My take is that if it takes a licensing framework to change the cycling culture here and so to save an old granny from being run over by a cyclist when the lights are red, then so be it lah. Blame the black sheeps spoil market loh...

[Watwheels]

Another bites the dust.

Cyclist dies after collision with shuttle bus on NTU campus

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/cyclist-dies-after-collision-shuttle-bus-ntu-campus

Pic from Shin Min Daily News

A cyclist died after colliding with a shuttle bus at Nanyang Technological University on Monday (May 3) night, local media reported.

The police said they were notified of the accident at 8.40pm on Nanyang Crescent towards Nanyang Drive.

A paramedic pronounced the cyclist — a 49-year-old woman — dead at the scene.

In photos circulating on social media, a blue tent could be seen on a zebra crossing, with four police cars nearby.

Police investigations are ongoing.

[Soya]

2 hours ago, Spidey10 said:

maybe G can come out with some law say....

1st time offence - fine and demerit points

2nd time offence - fine, demerit points and confiscate bike

3rd time offence - fine, demerit points, confiscate bike and jail term

4th time offence - fine $100,000 and jail term not less than 1 yr....

Wait long long ah....

1st offence - officer will hand out a leaflet on road safety w smiley courtesy singa picture on the corner 

2nd offence - officer hv to apologise for spoiling their SMLJ 'time trials n ask leotard nicely to be kind & considerate coz scared kena film w handphone from leotard

3rd offence - officer take details n TP send friendly letter saying they could be fined but since no past saman record, give chance this time

4th offence - maybe kena $10 fine. But if pay by AXS early, get discount n pay only $7.

Moral of story: Suck thumb

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Soya

[Jellandross]

1 life at most worth 3 months sigh...

E-scooter rider pleads guilty to causing death of 64-year-old cyclist

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/hung-kee-boon-escooter-death-64-year-old-cyclist-14740660 

The court heard that Hung’s device was an unregistered Dualtron Ultra e-scooter, which Hung had purchased in 2018 for S$2,000 from a seller on online marketplace Carousell. 

Hung had been aware that the PMD, which weighed about 44kg and had a top speed of between 75 and 80kmh, was “grossly non-compliant” with regulations when he purchased it, said Mr Kok.

Though the riding of e-scooters is allowed on cycling paths, Hung’s device would still have been prohibited from use as it was unregistered and non-compliant with regulations, he added.

Under the Active Mobility Act, such devices should weigh no more than 20kg and have a top speed of 25kmh. 

Mr Kok pointed out that Hung would have been aware at the time that he was speeding because his device was equipped with a speedometer. 

There were also rumble strips on the cycling path - grooves designed to indicate to cyclists and PMD riders that they should slow down, he said. 

It is incumbent upon the rider to reduce the risk of collision, said Mr Kok, adding that the severity of Madam Ong’s injuries was indicative of the impact of the crash. 

The prosecution also argued there was no contributory negligence on the part of the deceased. 

While Madam Ong had not fitted her bicycle with headlights, Mr Kok argued that there was no evidence suggesting that the collision could have been avoided had such lights been equipped. 

Noting this was the first case of a PMD user causing the death of another person while riding his device, the prosecution called for Hung to be sentenced to three months in prison, citing the need to deter others from riding recklessly.

 

[Beregond]

7 minutes ago, Jellandross said:

1 life at most worth 3 months sigh...

her family didnt not even receive 1m .

kns

[Spidey10]

19 minutes ago, Beregond said:

her family didnt not even receive 1m .

kns

howcome ah? the other guy got 1.3 mil i recall... 

[AndrewLee72]

Knn if the E-Scooter rider knock down Jeff Bezos and he become paralyse - what will be the compensation amount ?

[Beregond]

10 minutes ago, Spidey10 said:

howcome ah? the other guy got 1.3 mil i recall... 

which guy?

u mean the AMDK cyclist?? that amdk cyclist receive 13m. 

[inlinesix]

37 minutes ago, AndrewLee72 said:

Knn if the E-Scooter rider knock down Jeff Bezos and he become paralyse - what will be the compensation amount ?

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[Calvin8808]

59 minutes ago, Beregond said:

her family didnt not even receive 1m .

kns

 

39 minutes ago, Spidey10 said:

howcome ah? the other guy got 1.3 mil i recall... 

Firstly the E-scooter rider is not insured, so that's no one to pay. Even if the judge award her family with $1M the rider definitely will not be able to pay. That's why mandatory insurance, registration and licensing for PMD riders is necessary in my opinion.

Secondly for the $13.6M awarded to the cyclist, a big portion goes to his loss of expected future income. He also need to employ caregiver to care for him.

That's the difference ba.

But do note the sentencing for the offender is more serious for the auntie case.

Compensation for personal injury need to employ lawyer to sue the offender 

[Beregond]

21 minutes ago, Calvin8808 said:

Secondly for the $13.6M awarded to the cyclist, a big portion goes to his loss of expected future income. He also need to employ caregiver to care for him

sad right, after working her whole life to build up the country, bring up the kids look after family bababa, just because she is not working, she is worth nothing??? 

all the old man and woman that give their life for sg is worth not even a small faction of this amdk that come in get knock down and retire with 13m.

i feel somewhere something is badly screw up.

[Calvin8808]

12 minutes ago, Beregond said:

sad right, after working her whole life to build up the country, bring up the kids look after family bababa, just because she is not working, she is worth nothing??? 

all the old man and woman that give their life for sg is worth not even a small faction of this amdk that come in get knock down and retire with 13m.

i feel somewhere something is badly screw up.

I feel if the family sue the offender and the offender is insured then they may get something.

Not saying she's worthless, far from it. Every human being is important.

Just that in term of compensation it's based on potential income?

[Count-Bracula]

1 hour ago, Jellandross said:

1 life at most worth 3 months sigh...

E-scooter rider pleads guilty to causing death of 64-year-old cyclist

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/hung-kee-boon-escooter-death-64-year-old-cyclist-14740660 

The court heard that Hung’s device was an unregistered Dualtron Ultra e-scooter, which Hung had purchased in 2018 for S$2,000 from a seller on online marketplace Carousell. 

Hung had been aware that the PMD, which weighed about 44kg and had a top speed of between 75 and 80kmh, was “grossly non-compliant” with regulations when he purchased it, said Mr Kok.

Though the riding of e-scooters is allowed on cycling paths, Hung’s device would still have been prohibited from use as it was unregistered and non-compliant with regulations, he added.

Under the Active Mobility Act, such devices should weigh no more than 20kg and have a top speed of 25kmh. 

Mr Kok pointed out that Hung would have been aware at the time that he was speeding because his device was equipped with a speedometer. 

There were also rumble strips on the cycling path - grooves designed to indicate to cyclists and PMD riders that they should slow down, he said. 

It is incumbent upon the rider to reduce the risk of collision, said Mr Kok, adding that the severity of Madam Ong’s injuries was indicative of the impact of the crash. 

The prosecution also argued there was no contributory negligence on the part of the deceased. 

While Madam Ong had not fitted her bicycle with headlights, Mr Kok argued that there was no evidence suggesting that the collision could have been avoided had such lights been equipped. 

Noting this was the first case of a PMD user causing the death of another person while riding his device, the prosecution called for Hung to be sentenced to three months in prison, citing the need to deter others from riding recklessly.

 

3 months jail to deter others??

😂 😂 😂

[inlinesix]

13 minutes ago, Calvin8808 said:

I feel if the family sue the offender and the offender is insured then they may get something.

Not saying she's worthless, far from it. Every human being is important.

Just that in term of compensation it's based on potential income?

All current and future medical cost will be included.

Significant difference is loss of income.

That’s based on current income.

[inlinesix]

16 hours ago, Shibadog said:

don't know the details of the case thus not judging who was right or wrong here but just putting it here for awareness - a life was lost.

Might have been a reckless cyclist, a reckless driver, or both. In any case, it's too late for the deceased.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/cyclist-dies-ntu-crash-accident-car-14738154

疑脚踏车失控摔下 女主管遭巴士碾死

https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20210504-1144226

Suspected bicycle lost control and fell off female supervisor and was run over by bus

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20210504-1144226

[Jellandross]

1 hour ago, Beregond said:

sad right, after working her whole life to build up the country, bring up the kids look after family bababa, just because she is not working, she is worth nothing??? 

all the old man and woman that give their life for sg is worth not even a small faction of this amdk that come in get knock down and retire with 13m.

i feel somewhere something is badly screw up.

Which is why cyclists, PMDs, etc, need to be insured and held accountable for their recklessness. So even if suay suay kena killed or greviously injured by a lan ming yi tiao rider, at least can claim compensation from insurance. As to how easy/difficult to get this done, it is up to the million $$$ lawmakers to figure this out as part of their well-paid job.

From a victim's perspective, compensation is way more practical than whatever joke of a penalty the culprit received from the so-called justice system.

Edited May 4, 2021 by Jellandross

[inlinesix]

4 minutes ago, Jellandross said:

Which is why ALL cyclists, PMDs, etc, need to be insured and held accountable for their recklessness. So even if suay suay kena killed or greviously injured by a lan ming yi tiao rider, at least can claim compensation from insurance.

From a victim perspective, compensation is more practical than whatever joke of a penalty the culprit received from the so-called justice system.

Regardless cycling on the road or PCN

Edited May 4, 2021 by inlinesix

[Beregond]

1 hour ago, Count-Bracula said:

3 months jail to deter others??

😂 😂 😂

this is a joke, really.

instead if detering , got opposite effect, because they know worst come to worst sit 3 month, 

又是一條好漢