Terrorist Group ISIS

[Celicar]

A reminder that after bombing, must flush. Or else really terror-ble, the smell.

[hsl118]

This thread runs deep, just finished 3 pages over dinner.

 

It's a crazy world we live in, the enemy is less visible yet more damaging.

[Jellandross]

I've always agree with the need for an extreme mechanism like the ISA in Singapore. I've debated with friends who calls for the abolition of the ISA by naively/selectively perceiving it to be merely a tool for dealing with local political opponents without trial. They predictably quote the bastion of democracy, the Land of the Free's criticism of our ISA. But ironically, the western democracies are flying drones (got trial?) to blow things up and making our ISA looks like child's play.

 

We unfortunately live in a different era whereby warfare is fought differently from the past and enemies are no longer as clear cut as two armies facing off each other in a battlefield. It's sad to see that the current battlefield is basically everywhere, places we've been to, places we may be planning to visit, potentially even our very own neighbourhood.

 

I'm very glad to see ISA's effectiveness in exceptional times like this. Good job ISD (though we will never know who you really are) !!!

Edited January 21, 2016 by Jellandross

[hsl118]

For a country running gitmo, full of covert, clandestine ops and espionage in OTHER countries, MURICA is always the one that casts the first stone on other countries' human rights.

 

Go ISD!

[Hotamp]

I think it is about time Singaporean, be it the government or citizen takes a serious view of this rising trend that ordinary followers of a *ahem* certain religion are being radicalized to do the bidding of terrorist organization. Things are getting pretty "hot" around our immediate boundaries, first was Thailand and most recently Indonesia. Malaysia own  internal political/racial/religious environment "feels" a bit shaky also, a tiny spark could start a big fire. worse we are  stucked right in the middle. Now even bangala workers on work permit also can kena radicalized !!!!

 

Personally, to eradicate these I think beside the area of worship, the government should also look into the little india area, The congregation of foreign workers( indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi)  there is really huge, The riot that took place 2 years ago was an "unprovoked" one, what if in future some radicalized group of individuals were to plan and provoked another bigger riot? can the spf handle it? 

 

I think the government should ensure that the employers of these workers be held responsible to give these people proper dormitories with proper facilities and not squeeze 40 people into one of those shop houses. Safety and health issues aside, at least in proper dormitories their belief system can be monitored, and also they have limited freedom to spread their radicalized teachings to others. In those little india shop houses, you can see groups of them after working hours hanging around corners with their smartphones or laptops switch on.....well maybe they are surfing prawn lah but  they could also be downloading some radical political/religion material and share them with their bunkmates later on, could even form their own study groups  . I dunno, maybe ISD have really eradicated their cell, but these type of people once radicalized really hard core one, must really make their "working environment"  harsh so that they do not have the opportunity to spread their radical thinking further. 

[Datsun366]

Now, I share this book by a stubborn Doctor.

I was quite disturbed by the picture of a boy holding a RPG. He looks about 12 or 13. His stance is military textbook perfect kneeling -- ready to fire, he was shown in the picture wearing the same dorky t shirt and shorts that we used to wear. We are from the same time period, but we here were focused on tuckshop, playing catching and PSLEs. Our friend was shooting RPGs.

Now we are experienced in our respective fields and our friend if he is still alive will be an expert in warfare and things that go boom.

 

This stubborn Singaporean doctor was in the thick of it, she was doing her doctor thing, even she realized that she cannot save anyone except herself under those circumstance. no matter how much she wanted to. Not even an infant she could cradle out -- not if she wanted to continue living to help.

 

(For all the bad things said about famous man, he made sure the children have a good and safe future.)

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This made me realized definitely how good we have it here, and that it is a luxury to insist for a desired level of acceptance. Don't you dare import what Celicar mentioned here. It stays there. Don't bring it here.

A Singaporean identity is important and I think some of you believe that it has yet to be achieved. A commonality that transcends religion or race. A commonality that demands sacrifice of what you hold dear or that is not commensurate with society. A commonality that a certain abused religion preaches, but unfortunately isn't the most popular right now or the foreseeable future because of some of its purported practitioners.

Don't bring the bad things here so that our kids can have a happy childhood like us. Or even be born.

Those that threaten the future of children have no place here.

[Hydrocarbon]

This is a long post... please bear with me. Also might be a bit incendiary... if so... my bad...

 

I don't disagree with you per se... but the premise of the post by bro @Carnoob is correct. I agree with him... especially when it comes to prejudices formed by people... of physical aspects of those practicing their religion... people with beards etc. We should not give in to this.

 

I admit I too have my own prejudices when it concerns people of faith... as I have repeatedly stated in this forum... I'm always averse to any contribution from the House of Saud... here I am making a distinction between the ruling house of KSA and it's people. The Saudi's I've met in general, are fun loving, outgoing... can be prone to anger where it concerns honour (but who isn't?) but very generous. It's the austere interpretation of the religion that the hypocritical House of Saud preaches (but does not practice) that bugs me... and makes me afraid.

 

Buddhism and Jainism preaches with no mention of violence in its canons... but there are some nincompoops who have found text even there to create troubles for others... case in point... the Buddhist extremist in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. Really... that is a head scratcher for me... how to reconcile the non-violent ahimsa teaching of the Buddha with the senseless violence some of those monks instigated 

 

Religion is personal. If I'm going to go to hell, that's up to me and my maker. 

 

But we should avoid all types of prejudices... judging people by the actions, skin, race, religion or economic background. It's really silly to generalise on that basis... as silly as saying;

So why this long post... I noted a small prejudice in your post... which is only partly true... as all three books are branches of the same tree... they are equally forgiving and equally violent. Only difference is the message we take away from them. The majority of us have moved away from the barbaric times... I sure hope the rest of the deluded do so soon.

 

On the part of my prejudice against religion, I'd readily admit to being an atheist. That said, I did read the Bible, attended church services (non-denominational, catholic, and even some charismatic / evangelical churches - eg: CHC), joined Bible studies / cell group, etc. I did that more often when I was younger, but now, only go when there's an interest to do so. I haven't read the Quran, so I can't say I know as much about it as the Bible, and the translated passages I've read, I can't verify the authenticity / translation, I just took them at face value.

 

That said, I'm still learning about other people's religions.

 

Anyway, I'm all for allowing people to believe in what they want, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't use their beliefs as justification for violence against others.

 

And, back to topic, Banglas are my favourite FWs. I haven't had ANY trouble with any of them before. They seem to give up their seats (on MRT / Bus) more readily than Singaporeans / other FTs, and will give a helping hand to others when they see the need arise. Their jobs here might be considered low class by us, but they certainly aren't.

 

Haha, that's another bias of mine too...

[Beregond]

This is a long post... please bear with me. Also might be a bit incendiary... if so... my bad...

 

I don't disagree with you per se... but the premise of the post by bro @Carnoob is correct. I agree with him... especially when it comes to prejudices formed by people... of physical aspects of those practicing their religion... people with beards etc. We should not give in to this.

 

I admit I too have my own prejudices when it concerns people of faith... as I have repeatedly stated in this forum... I'm always averse to any contribution from the House of Saud... here I am making a distinction between the ruling house of KSA and it's people. The Saudi's I've met in general, are fun loving, outgoing... can be prone to anger where it concerns honour (but who isn't?) but very generous. It's the austere interpretation of the religion that the hypocritical House of Saud preaches (but does not practice) that bugs me... and makes me afraid.

 

Buddhism and Jainism preaches with no mention of violence in its canons... but there are some nincompoops who have found text even there to create troubles for others... case in point... the Buddhist extremist in Sri Lanka and Myanmar. Really... that is a head scratcher for me... how to reconcile the non-violent ahimsa teaching of the Buddha with the senseless violence some of those monks instigated 

 

Religion is personal. If I'm going to go to hell, that's up to me and my maker. 

 

But we should avoid all types of prejudices... judging people by the actions, skin, race, religion or economic background. It's really silly to generalise on that basis... as silly as saying;

 

Majority of taxi drivers are fcking inconsiderate drivers... all taxi drivers are Singaporean... ergo majority of Singaporeans are fcking inconsiderate.

 

That's a pretty dumb assessment. Sorry I digress... back to topic...

 

Setting someone aside because of his conviction in his religion is just misunderstanding his religion. But the times these text were  handed down was different... and we have also evolved.

 

Trouble comes when we don't keep with the times... and when some idiots insist that it can only be their way or the highway for the rest of the people. 

 

So why this long post... I noted a small prejudice in your post... which is only partly true... as all three books are branches of the same tree... they are equally forgiving and equally violent. Only difference is the message we take away from them. The majority of us have moved away from the barbaric times... I sure hope the rest of the deluded do so soon.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STz2FrpZnpw

 

I think I may be hearing from the Undertaker for this post 

I like this video lol

Edited January 22, 2016 by Beregond

[Tjkbeluga]

The way they post the 27 bangla face is like the malay folklore, flying head..... Scary sia....

[ins1dious]

On the part of my prejudice against religion, I'd readily admit to being an atheist. That said, I did read the Bible, attended church services (non-denominational, catholic, and even some charismatic / evangelical churches - eg: CHC), joined Bible studies / cell group, etc. I did that more often when I was younger, but now, only go when there's an interest to do so. I haven't read the Quran, so I can't say I know as much about it as the Bible, and the translated passages I've read, I can't verify the authenticity / translation, I just took them at face value.

 

That said, I'm still learning about other people's religions.

 

Anyway, I'm all for allowing people to believe in what they want, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't use their beliefs as justification for violence against others.

 

And, back to topic, Banglas are my favourite FWs. I haven't had ANY trouble with any of them before. They seem to give up their seats (on MRT / Bus) more readily than Singaporeans / other FTs, and will give a helping hand to others when they see the need arise. Their jobs here might be considered low class by us, but they certainly aren't.

 

Haha, that's another bias of mine too...

We're both on the same page in this matter

[Tonyng]

I wonder why the release of photos and names.

 

I thought it best to keep the individuals nameless and not let them earn this "badge" of notoreity

 

Some of the prominent jihadhists trade on their usa jail experience and get a following after release.

 

I do no remember any arrests named in other countries unless already committed crimes or search warant issued.

 

Wise move?

[Maxus-MIFA9]

Wahhhhhhhhhh.......................... 800 pinoy without boyfriends leow.....

 

Time to go Lucky Plaza ...

[RadX]

We're both on the same page in this matter

[keanie]

14 of d 26 terrorists deported home r found to have links with d Ansarullah Bangladesh Team militant group back home but none with ISIS or Al-Qaeda.

 

Dhaka police said the men, 14 of whom had been arrested and detained in jail, had gone to Spore to work as construction workers to earn money to send home.

 

The police r now investigating how d group of 26 Bangladeshi nationals deported by Spore for planning attacks back home is the first instance of a large number of Bangladeshis becoming radicalised while working abroad.

 

So, d key question is "radicalised while working abroad" Who brainwashed them.

[Jamesc]

On the part of my prejudice against religion, I'd readily admit to being an atheist. That said, I did read the Bible, attended church services (non-denominational, catholic, and even some charismatic / evangelical churches - eg: CHC), joined Bible studies / cell group, etc. I did that more often when I was younger, but now, only go when there's an interest to do so. I haven't read the Quran, so I can't say I know as much about it as the Bible, and the translated passages I've read, I can't verify the authenticity / translation, I just took them at face value.

 

That said, I'm still learning about other people's religions.

 

Anyway, I'm all for allowing people to believe in what they want, as long as they keep it to themselves and don't use their beliefs as justification for violence against others.

 

And, back to topic, Banglas are my favourite FWs. I haven't had ANY trouble with any of them before. They seem to give up their seats (on MRT / Bus) more readily than Singaporeans / other FTs, and will give a helping hand to others when they see the need arise. Their jobs here might be considered low class by us, but they certainly aren't.

 

Haha, that's another bias of mine too...

 

All you need is an open mind.

 

I respect all religions but not all religions are the same

 

but they all have one thing in common.

 

The followers of all religions all say theirs is the true one

 

and its their religion that you should follow.

 

Even within the same religion there are a lot of divisions.

 

I talk to many people from different churches and I always

 

ask them which is the true church and they all give me the same

 

answer. All churches are true but only their have all the truth,

 

the other churches have some truth but not all like theirs.

 

So its all very confusing and people saying only theirs have

 

all the truth they all cannot be right.

 

So there is only one choice. You should join the Devil.

 

His is a false religion but only the followers of Satan will

 

tell you his is a false religion and that's the truth.

 

Now you know its true when I say the House of Satan

 

is a false religion and hence that's the one you should join. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jamesc]

14 of d 26 terrorists deported home r found to have links with d Ansarullah Bangladesh Team militant group back home but none with ISIS or Al-Qaeda.

 

Dhaka police said the men, 14 of whom had been arrested and detained in jail, had gone to Spore to work as construction workers to earn money to send home.

 

The police r now investigating how d group of 26 Bangladeshi nationals deported by Spore for planning attacks back home is the first instance of a large number of Bangladeshis becoming radicalised while working abroad.

 

So, d key question is "radicalised while working abroad" Who brainwashed them.

 

These people come here to work to send money home.

 

Its so stupid they want to be suicide bombers.

 

That's really a dead end job.

 

[Kb27]

We're both on the same page in this matter

[keanie]

I salute you. You're amazing to have read all those books.

 

He got a good grasp of all d various religions and even take d effort of translating d Arabic version of d Koran. I salute you.