VES 2018

[RCTP]

Curious, you must belong to 1 of the 3 groups

 

1. Clairvoyant

2. LTA or Govt itself

3. SE, dealer or someone who bought COE at a high

 

Hmm...

To be honest we all know gahmen have vested interest to keep the coe high. Days of 10k coe is over.

[Perspectivism]

To be honest we all know gahmen have vested interest to keep the coe high. Days of 10k coe is over.

I don't recall anyone here shouting for 10k coe. COE has fallen from a peak of 90k to what it is today. It's an observable trend.

 

Yet there are those who keep repeating "govt will do everything to keep coe high" ad nauseum since the days of 90k.

[Spidey10]

with the stroke of a pen ... everything can be re-written ...

heads i win ... tails you lose ... song bo !

Where got, suppose to be like this....lta will tell you, heads I win, tail I win!! Win win situation......for them!!

[Mkl22]

To be honest we all know gahmen have vested interest to keep the coe high. Days of 10k coe is over.

 

never say never.

[Ingenius]

To be honest we all know gahmen have vested interest to keep the coe high. Days of 10k coe is over.

I would rather say the gahment moderate the coe price.  Remember the days of $100k coe ?  They increased the downpayment and the coe price level dropped to today's level.

[Soya]

To be honest we all know gahmen have vested interest to keep the coe high. Days of 10k coe is over.

Some actually still think gahmen is here to make cars cheap for us n forgo easy revenue. Some also think lining up every weekend at SG Pools to buy Toto is part of a financial plan. Let them be lah.

[Terrylmt]

We will never really know the truth - unless we are in the know within the "inner circle" because there are policies, GDP considerations, etc. that might factor into whatever they are doing. However, the irksome part is the haphazard implementation of said policies that leave the commoners like us with a sour (and some say bitter) taste in our mouths.

 

The resentment and dissension amongst the people is a direct result of the successful education system as well as the miniaturization of the global information landscape as people get ready & easy access to information at the press of a button.

 

However, what hasn't changed is the way that the current government is trying to implement policies. More accountability and transparency are requested & sought after by the people - something which they are ill-equipped or perhaps not trained to provide as they might have been groomed to adopt a high-handed (read:elitist) style of management.

 

That might have worked in the past when the people were less educated, had little to no exposure to global information/contexts and hence relied on the "experts" in the government to dole out policies for them to execute and comply.

 

So - we are responsible for our own government as well, and unless we make the right choices when we go to the polls, there is no real way to fight what is irrevocably inevitable.

[Benarsenal]

Bros ... is there a VES car list? I was told that the new CRV will attract a $10K surcharge from Jan 2018 so just want to see if that's true which may change my decision about buying it sooner.

 

Nope. As usual LTA dilly dallying on their stupid policies.

We will never really know the truth - unless we are in the know within the "inner circle" because there are policies, GDP considerations, etc. that might factor into whatever they are doing. However, the irksome part is the haphazard implementation of said policies that leave the commoners like us with a sour (and some say bitter) taste in our mouths.

 

The resentment and dissension amongst the people is a direct result of the successful education system as well as the miniaturization of the global information landscape as people get ready & easy access to information at the press of a button.

 

However, what hasn't changed is the way that the current government is trying to implement policies. More accountability and transparency are requested & sought after by the people - something which they are ill-equipped or perhaps not trained to provide as they might have been groomed to adopt a high-handed (read:elitist) style of management.

 

That might have worked in the past when the people were less educated, had little to no exposure to global information/contexts and hence relied on the "experts" in the government to dole out policies for them to execute and comply.

 

So - we are responsible for our own government as well, and unless we make the right choices when we go to the polls, there is no real way to fight what is irrevocably inevitable.

 

I absolutely agree. Even among the car companies a lot of them cannot make sense of the LTA's policies. Suka suka implement, no explanation or logic.

 

It's bad for consumers, it's bad for business. Only good for Govt to collect money.

[Gnomish]

i see some cars their prices have increased... the dealers have inside information?

[Spidey10]

We will never really know the truth - unless we are in the know within the "inner circle" because there are policies, GDP considerations, etc. that might factor into whatever they are doing. However, the irksome part is the haphazard implementation of said policies that leave the commoners like us with a sour (and some say bitter) taste in our mouths.

 

The resentment and dissension amongst the people is a direct result of the successful education system as well as the miniaturization of the global information landscape as people get ready & easy access to information at the press of a button.

 

However, what hasn't changed is the way that the current government is trying to implement policies. More accountability and transparency are requested & sought after by the people - something which they are ill-equipped or perhaps not trained to provide as they might have been groomed to adopt a high-handed (read:elitist) style of management.

 

That might have worked in the past when the people were less educated, had little to no exposure to global information/contexts and hence relied on the "experts" in the government to dole out policies for them to execute and comply.

 

So - we are responsible for our own government as well, and unless we make the right choices when we go to the polls, there is no real way to fight what is irrevocably inevitable.

I just wish in the next election some sense prevails...

Paying someone to make our lives miserable, and the worse part is not knowing why/how!!!!

i see some cars their prices have increased... the dealers have inside information?

Expected bro, u think the price will come down?

[Mkl22]

We will never really know the truth - unless we are in the know within the "inner circle" because there are policies, GDP considerations, etc. that might factor into whatever they are doing. However, the irksome part is the haphazard implementation of said policies that leave the commoners like us with a sour (and some say bitter) taste in our mouths.

 

The resentment and dissension amongst the people is a direct result of the successful education system as well as the miniaturization of the global information landscape as people get ready & easy access to information at the press of a button.

 

However, what hasn't changed is the way that the current government is trying to implement policies. More accountability and transparency are requested & sought after by the people - something which they are ill-equipped or perhaps not trained to provide as they might have been groomed to adopt a high-handed (read:elitist) style of management.

 

That might have worked in the past when the people were less educated, had little to no exposure to global information/contexts and hence relied on the "experts" in the government to dole out policies for them to execute and comply.

 

So - we are responsible for our own government as well, and unless we make the right choices when we go to the polls, there is no real way to fight what is irrevocably inevitable.

Such a high handed approach is prevalent in our government departments, especially in LTA. Anyway they are even more embolden now after their boss the minister of transport made those comments! Nothing needs to make sense anymore. It's just needs to be "limpeh like" and "limpeh song". "What can you do about it"

[Heartlander]

i see some cars their prices have increased... the dealers have inside information?

Definitely  that Alphard/Vellfire from BM has increased from 195k to 215k based on sgcarmart prices from before both models were taken off the market in July till reappearing the last few days.

 

Wonder what is the magic that caused the price to increase by 20k?

[therock]

VES kills cars..

A dozen models or more exit our market..

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/some-popular-car-models-to-exit-singapore-as-euro-6-kicks-in

[Jwee85]

so next year there are many cars will be hit with positive payment of CEVs of $5000 to $30000.

 

Are these additional taxes included in the PARF rebate after ten years?

 

I know currently IF there is a discount of $10,000 CEVs for cars, it will also reduce the ARF value by $10,000 therefore the PARF rebate after ten years will be lower.

 

How about the other way? If paying $30,000 for the CEVS.

Will the car PARF value be more at scrapping ten years time?

[Spidey10]

so next year there are many cars will be hit with positive payment of CEVs of $5000 to $30000.

 

Are these additional taxes included in the PARF rebate after ten years?

 

I know currently IF there is a discount of $10,000 CEVs for cars, it will also reduce the ARF value by $10,000 therefore the PARF rebate after ten years will be lower.

 

How about the other way? If paying $30,000 for the CEVS.

Will the car PARF value be more at scrapping ten years time?

wait....LTA have not thought of this yet nor written anywhere ...yet!

Since you bought it up....high change they will look at it now and inform the public that PARF will be lower after 10 years, heads LTA wins, tails LTA wins.......  .....hahaha...

 

I think for sure it won't be so simple.....

VES kills cars..

A dozen models or more exit our market..

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/some-popular-car-models-to-exit-singapore-as-euro-6-kicks-in

 

soon...no car to drive already....all buy and drive conti cars.

coz in the end with the VES, Jap car prices almost same as conti....possibility boh?

Edited August 30, 2017 by Spidey10

[therock]

wait....LTA have not thought of this yet nor written anywhere ...yet!

Since you bought it up....high change they will look at it now and inform the public that PARF will be lower after 10 years, heads LTA wins, tails LTA wins.......  .....hahaha...

 

I think for sure it won't be so simple.....

 

soon...no car to drive already....all buy and drive conti cars.

coz in the end with the VES, Jap car prices almost same as conti....possibility boh?

This dearth of cars is temporary.. 

Hopefully COE prices will adjust itself..

 

Right now the pain level for Cat A seems to be in the 45k region, which has dropped by 5k since the heights of mad Uber shopping last year around the same time..

[Terrylmt]

There's that matter of the particulate banding tax as well: http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/port-fuel-injection-vehicles-to-be-banded-for-particulate-matter-under-ves-from-july-1

 

And I also remember reading somewhere that the VES will be implemented for 2 year until Dec 31 2019. Still trying to find that article to share.

[Bobo07]

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/some-popular-car-models-to-exit-singapore-as-euro-6-kicks-in

 

Over a dozen models affected as highest emission standard takes effect on Friday

Christopher Tan

Senior Transport Correspondent

 

 

Over a dozen car models - including some popular mainstays - will not meet the Euro 6 emission standard which kicks in on Friday.

These include popular executive sedans like the Honda Accord, Toyota Camry and Nissan Teana, and budget sedans like the Nissan Almera and Toyota Vios.

Chevrolet's entire range here, along with Suzuki's Swift hatchback and S-Cross crossover, Hyundai's sporty Veloster and Honda's budget seven-seater Mobilio, also do not meet the emission standard.

The respective authorised agents plan to bring back Euro 6-compliant versions of some of the cars in due course.

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But a few are likely to exit the market for good, including the Nissan Teana, Honda Accord and Honda Mobilio.

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While a number of cars will exit the Singapore market come Friday, their absence may not impact that many consumers.

 

Mr Ron Lim, general manager of Nissan agent Tan Chong Motor, said that consumers have been veering away from sedans towards sport utility vehicles (SUVs) in recent years. Hence the impact of the two Nissan sedans' exit, for example, would not be significant.

• Curbing pollution

• The aim of Euro 6, the highest emission standard legislated by the European Union, is to reduce levels of harmful exhaust emissions, both in petrol and diesel vehicles.

  It stipulates lower levels of pollutants than those listed in Euro 4, which has been adopted here. It also adds two more pollutant readings - hydrocarbons and particulate count - to make a total of seven.

  Singapore is adopting Euro 6 for petrol vehicles from Sept 1, and for diesel vehicles, from Jan 1 next year.

And despite earlier fears, most - if not all - parallel import models will meet the standard, which was first announced in December 2014.

This is because the National Environment Agency (NEA) deems cars which have port-fuel injection engines and which meet JPN2009 regulation - an emission standard introduced in Japan eight years ago - to be Euro 6-compliant.

Port fuel injection - where fuel is injected just before the engine's combustion chamber - is used widely by Japanese manufacturers.

As proof, the NEA accepts export certificates or third-party certification for parallel-imported vehicles. Authorised agents, however, are required to submit documentation from the vehicle manufacturers "to establish compliance with emission standards and identification of the fuel injection system".

As a number of authorised agents' cars are sourced from Asian plants, their cars are not made to comply with JPN2009. This is because most Asian markets do not require such a high emission standard.

Asked how an eight-year-old Japanese emission standard can be equivalent to the latest European standard, Singapore University of Technology and Design assistant professor in engineering systems and design Lynette Cheah said: "The Japanese motor vehicle emissions standards have been tightened incrementally over time.

"Their 2016 limits are comparable to Euro 6 standards. The standard quoted by NEA refers to limits originally published by Japan's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport in 2002, but has since been amended and made more stringent a number of times."

While the Sept 1 regulation will see some models exit the market and others become unavailable temporarily, industry experts expect a much bigger shake-up when another emissions scheme comes into effect in January.

The Vehicular Emissions Scheme grants tax rebates or imposes surcharges on cars according to readings of five pollutants: carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, hydrocarbons and particulate matter.

Under the scheme,a number of small turbocharged engines - popular among European and increasingly, Japanese makes - will attract a surcharge of as much as $20,000, versus a rebate of at least $5,000 now.

Mr Lim from Tan Chong Motor said: "How this will change the whole landscape can only be seen from next year onwards."

A version of this article appeared in the print edition of The Straits Times on August 30, 2017, with the headline 'Some popular car models to exit S'pore as Euro 6 kicks in'. Print Edition | Subscribe