Lorry altercation with cyclist at Pasir Ris

[Vratenza]

Finally reached the last page of this epic thread... 

 

All the condemnations of the self - righteous cyclist have been repeated ad nauseum, so I shall not add to the mix. 

 

Just 1 question:

 

if bicycles demand for 1 whole lane of roads for themselves and everyone is supposed to overtake on the next lane.....shouldn't there be a speed limit for bicycles like say 25kph?

 

A B&B car's mechanicals allow it to travel up to 180kph....but on our roads it is limited by law to 50-70kph. Even performance cars that can go up to 280kph are no exceptions to the rule. All in the name of road safety. 

 

No speeding or racing allowed on public roads. Period. 

 

A bicycle's mechanicals allow it to be rode up to 40kph based on human limits. Why they cannot be limited to 25kph?

 

Then why should roadies training for speed be allowed to be racing/training on our public roads without restrictions?

Just because they wear their helmets and leotards? 

 

 

 

[inlinesix]

Finally reached the last page of this epic thread...

 

All the condemnations of the self - righteous cyclist have been repeated ad nauseum, so I shall not add to the mix.

 

Just 1 question:

 

if bicycles demand for 1 whole lane of roads for themselves and everyone is supposed to overtake on the next lane.....shouldn't there be a speed limit for bicycles like say 25kph?

 

A B&B car's mechanicals allow it to travel up to 180kph....but on our roads it is limited by law to 50-70kph. Even performance cars that can go up to 280kph are no exceptions to the rule. All in the name of road safety.

 

No speeding or racing allowed on public roads. Period.

 

A bicycle's mechanicals allow it to be rode up to 40kph based on human limits. Why they cannot be limited to 25kph?

 

Then why should roadies training for speed be allowed to be racing/training on our public roads without restrictions?

Just because they wear their helmets and leotards?

Why do bike speed limit has to be lower than B&B car? For my own understanding.

 

My last B&B car can only do 140km/h max.

 

Can you write to Singapore Cycling Association to shift OCBC Cycle indoor? Thanks.

[Ct3833]

Finally reached the last page of this epic thread... 

 

All the condemnations of the self - righteous cyclist have been repeated ad nauseum, so I shall not add to the mix. 

 

Just 1 question:

 

if bicycles demand for 1 whole lane of roads for themselves and everyone is supposed to overtake on the next lane.....shouldn't there be a speed limit for bicycles like say 25kph?

 

A B&B car's mechanicals allow it to travel up to 180kph....but on our roads it is limited by law to 50-70kph. Even performance cars that can go up to 280kph are no exceptions to the rule. All in the name of road safety. 

 

No speeding or racing allowed on public roads. Period. 

 

A bicycle's mechanicals allow it to be rode up to 40kph based on human limits. Why they cannot be limited to 25kph?

 

Then why should roadies training for speed be allowed to be racing/training on our public roads without restrictions?

Just because they wear their helmets and leotards? 

do you mean minimum speed of 25km/h ? a bicycle would still be blocking faster moving vehicles even if it travels at minimum 25km/h. the avg marathon runner should clock about 15km/h, if a bicycle will to go at 25km/h traveling abreast, it is like someone running (quite fast )in front of your car .       

Edited December 28, 2018 by Ct3833

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Wah, even change name also cannot escape CSI.

 

Maybe should wear some disguise or facial change. 

[Fcw75]

Singapore road users need to be more gracious and understanding: Road safety experts

A lorry driver and a cyclist got into an altercation after the latter hit the lorry's mirror on Dec 22, 2018.PHOTO: SCREENGRAB FROM FACEBOOK/ROADS.SG

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SINGAPORE - When he saw the pair of cyclists riding side-by-side last Saturday (Dec 22), Mr Teo Seng Tiong was sure it was against the rules.

The 57-year-old owner of a fish farm in Pulau Ubin, who was driving his lorry along the left lane of the two-lane Pasir Ris Drive 3 road, sounded the horn to overtake the cyclists.

That led to an altercation with one of the riders, an exchange that was caught in a dashcam video which has since garnered over 2.9 million views and close to 30,000 shares.

The Road Traffic (Bicycles) Rules state that cyclists are allowed to ride two abreast on a road with two lanes or more, which the cyclists in the video can be seen doing.

Mr Teo told The Straits Times in Mandarin: "I didn't know this was allowed and I only realised there was such a rule after the incident."

Shortly after the exchange, Mr Teo was arrested for rash driving and the 35-year-old cyclist was arrested for rash riding and mischief. Police investigations are ongoing.

 

 

 

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Experts say when it comes down to it, road use is not just about the right of way, but the right attitude.

Safe Cycling Task Force president Steven Lim said many users have no idea how to share the roads.

"It's not just about having the right of way, but you also have to take others into consideration. You don't always have to insist on the right of way, it's a shared space and we can accommodate each other," he added.

While the rules do allow cyclists to ride two abreast on some roads, riders should not assume they are entitled to this right.

"Riding two abreast is to shorten the line of cyclists, especially when they are in a big group. If it's a small group, it's not necessary," he added.

Discussions about who has right of way have been rife after the dashcam video caught one of the cyclists hitting Mr Teo's lorry before the truck swerved towards the rider, causing him to fall onto the turf next to the road.

The incident happened near the junction of Pasir Ris Rise.

Singapore Road Safety Council chairman Bernard Tay Road said if there is an incident, road users should not react rashly.

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"Motorists and cyclists shouldn't take the law into their own hands. They should make a police report and let the authorities handle it," added Mr Tay.

He said with more cyclists on the roads, all road users have to be extra careful.

Mr Lim added that road users should not insist on using every right, "especially if giving way can make things smoother for all".

Singapore Cycling Federation president Hing Siong Chen said the incident is a reminder for pedestrians, motorists, cyclists and users of personal mobility devices "to always be mutually respectful and patient".

"Any negative incident will only serve to create a lose-lose situation for everyone concerned."

Mr Tay Yong Hong, 60, who cycles on the weekends, said the incident has raised important points about how road users can co-exist.

"Ultimately, it's about every road user giving way to each other. As a cyclist myself, and as someone who drives, I do try to be more understanding of cyclists on the road."

"Of course I do get annoyed sometimes, but that's human nature," said the semi-retired sales manager.

The Land Transport Authority, Traffic Police, Singapore Road Safety Council and Singapore Kindness Movement last year launched a campaign to encourage graciousness on the roads after 141 people died in accidents in 2016.

Examples of bad behaviour cited included tailgating, changing lanes abruptly, and not giving way.

For Mr Teo, the sequence of events that lasted about 20 seconds has caused him much stress.

 

Mr Teo Seng Tiong, the lorry driver who was involved in a viral video where a cyclist had hit the side mirror of his lorry. ST PHOTO: CHONG JUN LIANG

 

He said he had moved to the right of the lane to try to get past the cyclist.

"I thought I had enough space between the cyclist and me, so I was looking out for the taxi on my right."

He claimed he then heard the taxi travelling on the right lane sound its horn, and just then he heard a loud crash.

Thinking he had hit the taxi, he "instinctively" swerved to the left.

"I realised the cyclist had fallen onto the kerb, and I thought he had hit his head on my side mirror," said Mr Teo, who got out of the lorry to check on the rider.

This moment was captured in a separate video showing the aftermath of the altercation.

Following the incident, Mr Teo's lorry was impounded. But he said he is glad people are talking about road sharing and road safety.

"A peaceful discussion about road safety is good."

He added: "I'm not angry at the cyclist and I want to let go of the incident. So I hope others can also stop making negative comments about it."

 

 

 

[Vratenza]

Because most bicycle riders cannot reach 50kph. 

 

Mass cycling races with road marshaling and temporary dedicated cycling lanes can still be held outdoors. 

 

Why do bike speed limit has to be lower than B&B car? For my own understanding.

My last B&B car can only do 140km/h max.

Can you write to Singapore Cycling Association to shift OCBC Cycle indoor? Thanks.

 

[Vratenza]

No I mean maximum speed.

 

i have to admit I don't do competitive or even road cycling so I have no idea what is a practical speed that most semi-recreational cyclist in their leotards can achieve. 25kph is just a ballpark figure i draw from the air based on what i read ard the thread. Maybe 30kph or even 40kph might be better? You tell me? 

 

Anyway, the idea is, since we motorist are expected to overtake them from another lane, it is easier to overtake a 2 abreast cyclists at 25kph than when they are going full speed at 45kph?

 

And also, why should cyclist have the unfettered rights to push the limit of their machines when our cars are locked in at 20-30% of our top speed? Bicycles at speed have been known to kill as well. 

 

do you mean minimum speed of 25km/h ? a bicycle would still be blocking faster moving vehicles even if it travels at minimum 25km/h. the avg marathon runner should clock about 15km/h, if a bicycle will to go at 25km/h traveling abreast, it is like someone running (quite fast )in front of your car .       

 

[Volvobrick]

No I mean maximum speed.

 

i have to admit I don't do competitive or even road cycling so I have no idea what is a practical speed that most semi-recreational cyclist in their leotards can achieve. 25kph is just a ballpark figure i draw from the air based on what i read ard the thread. Maybe 30kph or even 40kph might be better? You tell me? 

 

Anyway, the idea is, since we motorist are expected to overtake them from another lane, it is easier to overtake a 2 abreast cyclists at 25kph than when they are going full speed at 45kph?

 

And also, why should cyclist have the unfettered rights to push the limit of their machines when our cars are locked in at 20-30% of our top speed? Bicycles at speed have been known to kill as well. 

 

Why would you want to have more human/AH-powered road hoggers on the left lane when there are already many petrol/diesel powered ones hogging the right lanes?

 

If the MAMILs cannot do 40-50 km/h (in single file please), then they should join the children on the PCNs.

[Atonchia]

Is it always the eastern and southern side of the island we get such issues ah?

 

I seem to always see these MAMIL AMDK attitude cyclists videos near vivo and eastern side, and seem like many such accidents happens along changi and Pasir Ris area?

 

I have seen many cyclist athletes near my area, some in grps, some alone, but they are usually very Ok.

 

And I agree that hand signal is very important, I think if cyclists just give a thumbs up to drivers, most times drivers will give in to them even if they riding abreast, Is like cyclists telling drivers, "please bear with me" , " appreciate" or "thank you". It just make ppl song a little and dont mind that little held up.

 

Is that middle finger or that CCB attitude that always spark the fire.

Western side have large container trailers, huge lorries and many buses....

 

Sure get flattened.

[Vratenza]

To be frank... I rather they ALL keep to PCN and keep off the roads. 

 

But the reality is they are here to stay like it or not.

 

It is a matter of thinking out of the box for a solution to a pesky problem. 

 

If they want to share the road, fine, keep to a regulated speed so that motorists can overtake them in a safer manner. 

 

Reason most MAMILs gave for not using PCN is because they want to go for maximum speed which only roads allow. Why then, an owner of a porky 911/mclaren cannot practice his top speed on our own public roads and need to go up North for tracking? 

 

Speeding (yes on a manpowered machine) , racing, hogging, pedestrian/Road user role quick switch, riding across pedestrian crossings..... This is as unregulated as you can get at this current state.

 

In essence, some sort of regulation, be it registration, speed control, will remind them that they have as much responsibility to themselves as well as the rest of the road users they share the roads with. 

 

 

 

Why would you want to have more human/AH-powered road hoggers on the left lane when there are already many petrol/diesel powered ones hogging the right lanes?

 

If the MAMILs cannot do 40-50 km/h (in single file please), then they should join the children on the PCNs.

 

[inlinesix]

Reason most MAMILs gave for not using PCN is because they want to go for maximum speed which only roads allow. Why then, an owner of a porky 911/mclaren cannot practice his top speed on our own public roads and need to go up North for tracking? 

 

 

How do owner of a Porky 911/Mclaren outside of Singapore practise his top speed?

[Vratenza]

Autobahn. 

 

For the rest of the unfortunate countries (Singapore inclusive), do it on the tracks (might not hit top speeds) roads but don't get caught.

 

Take away: public road is for commute, not a training/speed/racing track. 

 

How do owner of a Porky 911/Mclaren outside of Singapore practise his top speed?

 

[inlinesix]

Autobahn. 

 

For the rest of the unfortunate countries (Singapore inclusive), do it on the tracks (might not hit top speeds) roads but don't get caught.

 

Take away: public road is for commute, not a training/speed/racing track. 

 

Where do TdF wannabe in other countries practise?

[Vratenza]

Frankly I don't care. 

 

What other countries (USA/Europe) have, which red pimple Singapore don't, are wide expense of land and miles of scenic roads that run through mostly unpopulated or rural countryside. 

 

There is a reason why TdFrance is not called TdSingapore. 

 

On the same note, if we cannot be good in skiing/snowboarding (ie.winter sports) due to our geographical limitations, that sucks but we live with it. 

 

Just came back from Hokkaido and did some snowboarding there. 

 

Where do TdF wannabe in other countries practise?

 

[Mkl22]

Because most bicycle riders cannot reach 50kph.

 

Mass cycling races with road marshaling and temporary dedicated cycling lanes can still be held outdoors.

Maybe for groups of 10 or more there has to be marshaling or a vehicle following etc.

that will probably put a stop to large groups causing a nuisance on the road

[Beregond]

Frankly I don't care. 

 

What other countries (USA/Europe) have, which red pimple Singapore don't, are wide expense of land and miles of scenic roads that run through mostly unpopulated or rural countryside. 

 

There is a reason why TdFrance is not called TdSingapore. 

 

On the same note, if we cannot be good in skiing/snowboarding (ie.winter sports) due to our geographical limitations, that sucks but we live with it. 

 

Just came back from Hokkaido and did some snowboarding there. 

[Scion]

supporting fellow Singaporean Mr Teo and Pulau Ubin!

[Ct3833]

Practice what? People who practice in other countries go for very long distance road that have no traffic lights with very few cars. In sgp, there will be a traffic light every 500m, how to practice competitive cycling effectively?
What LTA could do is to:
1. Ban cycling abreast
2. Allow cycling abreast during non peak hours like 10pm to 6am on certain raods ONLY. Otherwise all should cycle in line.

 

Some suggested moving these cyclists to PCN. This is not practical at all. These road bike are a lot faster than ofo and even mountain bikes, they go on the PCN will create safety issue to the users of PCN. And it defeat the purpose of riding a road/racing bike. End up those innocent raodbike riders will suffer,  we dont solve problem by creating a few others.   At the end of the day, not every roadbiker  on the road is Eric.Fortunately, we see some fewer Eric around than non Eric.  

 

 

Edited December 29, 2018 by Ct3833