Raeesah Khan lied!

[Chongster]

37 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

this issue is above personal lah...she is MP and this matter is above individual level. Jamus being the core team needs to know first and contribute his ideas. 

 

Jamus very clearly is not a party leader or elder.  Jamus is still like a gin na.  Seriously, you see his opening statement at the COP is like still 吊儿郎当.  He is as much a ginna as Reasah. 

i see already think it is clearly the right decision not to involve him.  Contribute ideas? please lah, what ideas he has about solving something so serious.  Just imagined ideas, no real life experience.  This was clearly a time for the adults in the room to take over. 

 

[Lethalstrike]

33 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

By saying WP failed, I didn't praise PAP lah...I want WP to do well. We need a creditable and better party to PAP correct? 

Both are still political parties at the end of the day, both have skeletons in the closet which will never see the light of the day. My hope is that they work together for us, especially so where there are still pressing issues (high cost of living, covid impact, unemployment etc) to sort out. 

The controversial WP's Raesah Khan or PAP's Ivan Lim, has made no impact to my life. There are slips-ups from both camps every now and then. And the lesser time both camps spend on political bickering, the better it is. I have no sympathy for WP as its a call which PS made, and he has to live by it no matter the outcome. Unfortunately, the outcome for his party is this COP by PAP.  PAP isn't an angel either, it's not the first time we witnessed such committees, which purpose is to extract a pre-determined conclusion and narrative. 

Creditable and better party? Both sides better wake the F up as the public isn't stupid nowadays. That's why I've said, both camps can say whatever they want, it's up to the voters, the public to judge at the end of the day.  

[inlinesix]

8 minutes ago, Vegas said:

Rape is personal. Why do i need to tell my boss i was raped? To a lot of women, they rather bring it to the grave… 

easier for observers to say your body belongs to Singapore… if its within your love ones?

the only fault i could find obviously is WP candidate screening process sucks 😓

Screening Process vs Shallow Candidate Pool.

Can we find a good Oppo minority candidate?
I don’t know.

[PSP415]

37 minutes ago, Kopites said:

I disagreed here.

Infact I see a compassionate leader take it upon himself to aid a subordinate in distress.

Sadly such humanity act has no place in politics.

For instance, If one of your subordinate was a victim of sort sexual harassment, would you go around sharing in the company context or would you take it upon yourselves l give her the times and space to sort it out herself.

Bearing in mind the backdrop in this case is an elected MP and a leader of opposition parties.

 

No one would go about sharing.

In this instance, RK brought up the topic of SPF mishandling an assault case here. Did she get permission from the victim in the first place to share? 

Being a victim herself, should she not be more compassionate, protective and empathetic as well? 

If this had been handled with compassion, she ought to be advised to go thru proper channels so that whilst investigation is ongoing, the victim may be spared unnecessary attention. 

Till now, because the victim is not willing (perfectly her rights as it may mean revisiting old wounds and cause more unnecessary issues with her life), this matter is shrouded in grey, did or did not the SPF handle the case properly? This is not healthy. 

A leader comes with many strengths and weakness.

Many times, more unhappiness is created with a soft management approach because "unfairness" is felt.

That leader in order to be compassionate, will keep important aspects or details to himself or just a few. It's this "keeping details" that will cause mistrust, unfair treatment or even favouritism over time. No one really knows why the leader is shielding or not taking disciplinary action for an obvious wrong, in this case, lying in Parliament. 

Leaders cannot be compassionate? Of course can. But that's the tricky part. How to do so without bending rules or disregarding rules vs protecting a member who has done wrong? 

I guess weighing pros and cons is critical. And what consequences to the party in question. 

Is ONE misbehaving member worthwhile to risk the party's integrity and interest?

How will this be in light of nation's interests? He will not behave the same lah! No? Compassion will be switched off? 

I think the line between duty and compassion will often come up, especially when one is in top management roles. Some will add in profits to the equation. 

Not always easy and clear cut. Which is why the sooner a leader settles some principles within himself and let all know how he stand, the betterer for himself and all those in the party. 

Now, everything pushed to PS. No one knows RK better than him. Hence, the stage is set for a betrayal and a let down.

Hope he still remember there are  hundreds of thousands of supporters who look up to him. Fair to them? Is he being compassionate to them when he chose to keep silent? 

Stay safe 

Cheers 

Edited December 15, 2021 by PSP415

[Kopites]

If you weaponed the cop than it would no doubt deviate from the initial agenda as to why and how she has lied. 

Should has put a doctor instead of a lawyer in the cop to ascertian whether she is in the right state of mind to be held liable for blatantly lying in the parliament setting. 

Whole fiasco now evolved into a witch hunt that someone pointed a gun at her to lie in the parliament.

 

 

 

[Beregond]

55 minutes ago, Ingenius said:

Here you can start to see opposition sympathisers feeling painful when their idols are being scrutinized in the hearing. They think this is political bullying, but don't realise this is the process of fact finding and righting the wrong. If we don't get to the bottom of this, this won't be the first and the last, and Singapore will be in trouble in the hands of such people. I say whack them hard like a good parent should. 

Actually i must agree to what u say to some extend.

But i give it a deeper thought. If things turn around. pap screw up, and WP  use the parliament and gov resources as a weapon to attack their political rival. 

How would i feel?? I think i would feel disappointed X2

What i dun like to see is this culture breeding in the parliament and in our gov. 

Of course i not saying make mistake dun need punish, need to sack , sack, need to fine, fine, or jail. But not doing all these non stop ,debate non stop etc. Its not 1 or 2 day or, how long have this been on going in the parliament.( i lost track )

I translate this from a chinese comment. When there is real work and important issue to discuss, every 1 skip the parliament or fall asleep, When it come to wack political rival, every 1 like drink dog blood. 

[Kopites]

20 minutes ago, PSP415 said:

No one would go about sharing.

In this instance, RK brought up the topic of SPF mishandling an assault case here. Did she get permission from the victim in the first place to share? 

Being a victim herself, should she not be more compassionate, protective and empathetic as well? 

If this had been handled with compassion, she ought to be advised to go thru proper channels so that whilst investigation is ongoing, the victim may be spared unnecessary attention. 

Till now, because the victim is not willing (perfectly her rights as it may mean revisiting old wounds and cause more unnecessary issues with her life), this matter is shrouded in grey, did or did not the SPF handle the case properly? This is not healthy. 

A leader comes with many strengths and weakness.

Many times, more unhappiness is created with a soft management approach because "unfairness" is felt.

That leader in order to be compassionate, will keep important aspects or details to himself or just a few. It's this "keeping details" that will cause mistrust, unfair treatment or even favouritism over time. No one really knows why the leader is shielding or not taking disciplinary action for an obvious wrong, in this case, lying in Parliament. 

Leaders cannot be compassionate? Of course can. But that's the tricky part. How to do so without bending rules or disregarding rules vs protecting a member who has done wrong? 

I guess weighing pros and cons is critical. And what consequences to the party in question. 

Is ONE misbehaving member worthwhile to risk the party's integrity and interest?

How will this be in light of nation's interests? He will not behave the same lah! No? Compassion will be switched off? 

I think the line between duty and compassion will often come up, especially when one is in top management roles. Some will add in profits to the equation. 

Not always easy and clear cut. Which is why the sooner a leader settles some principles within himself and let all know how he stand, the betterer for himself and all those in the party. 

Now, everything pushed to PS. No one knows RK better than him. Hence, the stage is set for a betrayal and a let down.

Hope he still remember there are  hundreds of thousands of supporters who look up to him. Fair to them? Is he being compassionate to them when he chose to keep silent? 

Stay safe 

Cheers 

It was incomprensible to many as to why WP let her resign instead of sacking her. 

The picture is much clearer now.

She is sick.😀

[PSP415]

2 minutes ago, Kopites said:

It was incomprensible to many as to why WP let her resign instead of sacking her. 

The picture is much clearer now.

She is sick.😀

Why wait 2 months?

For her to become more sick? 😂😂

Nah, mental state of mind is often the most abused excuse for most wrong doings, including murder. 

Stay safe 

Cheers 

[Throttle2]

1 hour ago, Ingenius said:

Here you can start to see opposition sympathisers feeling painful when their idols are being scrutinized in the hearing. They think this is political bullying, but don't realise this is the process of fact finding and righting the wrong. If we don't get to the bottom of this, this won't be the first and the last, and Singapore will be in trouble in the hands of such people. I say whack them hard like a good parent should. 

Two words. Lan jiao. 🤣😂

Edited December 15, 2021 by Throttle2

[mersaylee]

48 minutes ago, Vidz said:

PAP - WP - KHAN

 

三羊演义

Which one represents 曹魏? 😁

[Fcw75]

10 minutes ago, Throttle2 said:

Two words. Lan jiao. 🤣😂

Woah, where did that come from?

Blunt and straight to the point.

🤣

[Jman888]

actually WP can tap on this incident to score lots of political points if handle well from 3 Aug after she lied, but the indecisive management let the main character bite back, too bad.  

[Tkseah]

1 hour ago, Ingenius said:

Here you can start to see opposition sympathisers feeling painful when their idols are being scrutinized in the hearing. They think this is political bullying, but don't realise this is the process of fact finding and righting the wrong. If we don't get to the bottom of this, this won't be the first and the last, and Singapore will be in trouble in the hands of such people. I say whack them hard like a good parent should. 

Did u watch the videos n questions posted to WP members?  Think everyone feels a COP is warranted, but the way they carry it out claiming to be fact finding with no agenda is like trying to bluff children.

[Victor68]

2 minutes ago, Tkseah said:

Did u watch the videos n questions posted to WP members?  Think everyone feels a COP is warranted, but the way they carry it out claiming to be fact finding with no agenda is like trying to bluff children.

Only PAP feels it is a COP. We saw it as interrogation by CID. Make them admit guilty.

[Kopites]

9 minutes ago, mikk123 said:

I not saying going around tellling the company she is a rape victim. That is wrong lah. I am referring to the fact that she lied in parliament! If the lie is somehow related to the rape, then it should be disclosed to certain key management people lah, e.g. the person in charge of HR. This is not a company btw. This is a political party that is answerable to the public who vote them in. Public interests is above personal one. If value person interest a lot, then stay away from politics lah. 

I remembered reading (watching) somewhere that PS indeed did gave her some times urging her reveal (sort) it in out with her parents before wanting to make it public.

 

[Jman888]

29 minutes ago, Throttle2 said:

Two words. Lan jiao. 🤣😂

I didn't expect this come from a high management people like yourself. 

[TangoCharlie]

1 hour ago, PSP415 said:

A leader comes with many strengths and weakness.

Many times, more unhappiness is created with a soft management approach because "unfairness" is felt.

Off topic abit but there are similarities of the unfairness felt by me....

1) PM Lee suing Terry Xu instead of his siblings, and

2) COP targeting WP instead of RK

Life's really unfair.😞

[PSP415]

Just now, TangoCharlie said:

Off topic abit but there are similarities of the unfairness felt by me....

1) PM Lee suing Terry Xu instead of his siblings, and

2) COP targeting WP instead of RK

Life's really unfair.😞

Life is so unfair. 

Why can't all have exactly same feelings and insights in everything. Then no need for so many differences! 

😂😂😂

I dun feel or see any unfairness in your mentioned examples. There are same same yet different. 

PM is always first a PM, not a brother. Issues pertaining to nation will take priority. 

COP is not targeting WP. RK has confirmed lies hanging on her. But it does not mean that she can't speak the truth or did not speak the truth concerning what she claimed PS said. 

This needs to be settled once and for all for this case, so that if PS is innocent, he can be exonerated totally. No greys. If he's not, obviously he's to be taken to task too. 

Stay safe 

Cheers