Reckless Cyclist

[inlinesix]

8 hours ago, Lethalstrike said:

$5.00 is the discounted rate to promote take up rate for this test online. So after which, a normal rate will apply. 

It seems that the authorities are still unwilling to go towards a licensing regime for all things ebikes and bicycles, and I see this as a sensible thing to do at this stage for obvious reasons. If you want to push for car lite, you need to explore and do more via other avenues first before slapping a licensing framework. That needs proper enforcement and resources to regulate. 

I also find it laughable that the AMAP think making cyclists ride in a single file can actually be a good thing for motorists. Just imagine the whole single line of cyclists blocking the filter lane for cars to turn left during the lights at junctions, or the whole line of cyclists filtering to turn right in a single file. It's harder for goondu drivers to gauge and overtake safely. In fact, the whole long line of them is even more of a nuisance. 

Why nothing was mentioned that cyclists shouldn't be allowed up on viaduct? If this was proposed, I would support 100%. Because of the higher speed differences and the dangers to filter in/out of a viaduct will simply make it dangerous for any cyclist. 

 

6 minutes ago, Ody_2004 said:

In my Cyclist opinion i think to have time restriction be better.. Say 10pm till 6am can ride viaduct.. outright ban will led to insufficient use of resources.. I do agreed with u on the safety aspect that's why I only ride viaduct before 6am.

As for riding single file I got mix reaction.. they need to limit the group size to allow this to work as u pointed out a big group with single file is worse than they riding 2 abreast.

I only drive expressway on weekday so din encounter such issues. When I ride weekend there's a lot of BIG groups on those favorite route like Seletar/Mandai/Changi etc.. So i guess need to use time and group size control to better utilize resources and minimize disruption to traffic flow. 

We have to see whether this rule is just for show or not.

With a group of 5 cyclist, it is 7.5m to 8m long, which is almost equivalent to the length of a 3 tonner.

Feasible or not?  Up to driver to decide.

[Ender]

On 5/9/2021 at 8:07 PM, Fcw75 said:

This farker is a retard.

Howcome this mamil on a  bike sharing mobike/sgbike?  Is this photograph staged or what?

[Ender]

On 5/11/2021 at 1:21 AM, Lethalstrike said:

This fella, Calvin Sim is a national athlete who won the gold medal for track cycling during the 2017 SEA games. They are doing motor pacing training as there isn't a velodrome here. So this guy, for once, isn't a Tour De France wannabe. 

SG Road Vagina, should clarify in this Facebook post then just leave it as it is just for sensationalism. Got the cheek to tag SG Cycling Federation in the same post, so obviously the admin knows he's a national cyclist doing training loops along Seletar North but choose to leave it out of context. Hey, SG Road Vagina admin, if you're reading this, go F yourself okay? 

 

The guy on motorbike is his coach?

[Beregond]

2 minutes ago, Ender said:

The guy on motorbike is his coach?

i only know those cyclist behind are breathing in the smoke directly  off the motorcycle

[inlinesix]

4 minutes ago, Beregond said:

i only know those cyclist behind are breathing in the smoke directly  off the motorcycle

It is sad to see this kind of comment towards our National Athlete especially a SEA Games Gold Medalist.

[Lethalstrike]

21 minutes ago, Ody_2004 said:

In my Cyclist opinion i think to have time restriction be better.. Say 10pm till 6am can ride viaduct.. outright ban will led to insufficient use of resources.. I do agreed with u on the safety aspect that's why I only ride viaduct before 6am.

As for riding single file I got mix reaction.. they need to limit the group size to allow this to work as u pointed out a big group with single file is worse than they riding 2 abreast.

I only drive expressway on weekday so din encounter such issues. When I ride weekend there's a lot of BIG groups on those favorite route like Seletar/Mandai/Changi etc.. So i guess need to use time and group size control to better utilize resources and minimize disruption to traffic flow. 

 

Thanks for taking the time to pen down your thoughts, and I gave it a Like as its obvious you are an actual cyclist who rode on our roads. Your real opinions are sorely needed in a motorist dominated forum like this. Ok, let's get back to this never ending topic...😁

Firstly, your suggestion on the usage of viaducts only on specific timings is feasible. But, in my personal opinion and my own observations of the road cyclists as I drove on the weekends, I would still think cyclists should not be up there. 10pm to 6am is non-peak hours, but that does not guarantee it will be without traffic to mingle with cyclists on the viaducts. In fact, if traffic is very light, I would think drivers will have the tendency to be less alert and speed up on the viaducts. That's a NO NO if we throw much slower moving cyclists into the mix. Then, you might have drivers demanding all recreational cyclists to only ride from 10pm to 6am. Reason being can be done on viaducts, why not on all roads? Don't be surprised, there are such entitled motorists keyboard warriors online all the time. 

Secondly, I would propose to keep cycling rules as simple and clear-cut as possible at this stage. People are already having difficulties remembering they can't go up the expressways, much less remembering the time they are allowed up the viaducts. Some motorists can't even remember bus lane hours, much less asking cyclists to adhere to viaduct hours and asking drivers to be aware as well. 

Thirdly, you already know it as you said you only rode up the viaducts before 6am when traffic is really light. Our viaducts aren't build for cyclists in mind. If it is, viaducts won't be on the right side of our roads, but would be on the left so that cyclists aren't forced to filter right to go up, and then be forced again to filter left against incoming traffic once they come down. Not forgetting the original purpose of viaducts is to facilitate faster motorised vehicular traffic so as to prevent jams below. I say cyclists should give and take. Return back the viaducts to the drivers, in return ask for the right for space on the normal roads. 

Lastly, group size and single file. Single file is an absurd suggestion, it only sound good at this stage to drivers because they haven't kanna a long line of cyclists holding them back yet. I already pointed it out why its a bigger nuisance than a more compact group riding 2 abreast. From a cyclists perspective, a single file is an open invitation to allow some impatient drivers to risk it and squeeze past them. I might be wrong on the latter, but that's what I read online whenever riding 2 abreast debates come up on social media. 

If want to limit group size, what will be a good size then? Should it be 4 cyclists in a group? I say 4 is good because that's the footprint of a car. 2 cyclists in front, 2 cyclists at the back. Easy for drivers to gauge and overtake, easy for cyclists to adhere to. But, what happens when we have multiple groups of 4 bunching up on popular cycling routes over the weekends? Where's the end to all these so-called rules? Sounds good on paper but in real life, I don't see them as practical at all to drivers and cyclists alike. 

 

 

 

 

[Lethalstrike]

14 minutes ago, Ender said:

The guy on motorbike is his coach?

Most likely part of his training team, actual coach or not I don't know. Else which motorcyclist would allow a stranger to tailgate so close, and yet purposely keep to the left and maintain a steady speed for the stranger to draft? 😆

[Ody_2004]

3 minutes ago, Lethalstrike said:

 

If want to limit group size, what will be a good size then? Should it be 4 cyclists in a group? I say 4 is good because that's the footprint of a car. 2 cyclists in front, 2 cyclists at the back. Easy for drivers to gauge and overtake, easy for cyclists to adhere to. But, what happens when we have multiple groups of 4 bunching up on popular cycling routes over the weekends? Where's the end to all these so-called rules? Sounds good on paper but in real life, I don't see them as practical at all to drivers and cyclists alike. 

 

 

 

 

I myself don't do group ride as I view it is very dangerous.. occasionally i join those small size group like 4/5.. not i wanna join but the pace n route same! whahahahahaha..

Honestly for group ride at 4 they not song one.. the peloton not big euff to gain the advantage.. 

[Volvobrick]

14 minutes ago, Lethalstrike said:

Thanks for taking the time to pen down your thoughts, and I gave it a Like as its obvious you are an actual cyclist who rode on our roads. Your real opinions are sorely needed in a motorist dominated forum like this. Ok, let's get back to this never ending topic...😁

Firstly, your suggestion on the usage of viaducts only on specific timings is feasible. But, in my personal opinion and my own observations of the road cyclists as I drove on the weekends, I would still think cyclists should not be up there. 10pm to 6am is non-peak hours, but that does not guarantee it will be without traffic to mingle with cyclists on the viaducts. In fact, if traffic is very light, I would think drivers will have the tendency to be less alert and speed up on the viaducts. That's a NO NO if we throw much slower moving cyclists into the mix. Then, you might have drivers demanding all recreational cyclists to only ride from 10pm to 6am. Reason being can be done on viaducts, why not on all roads? Don't be surprised, there are such entitled motorists keyboard warriors online all the time. 

Secondly, I would propose to keep cycling rules as simple and clear-cut as possible at this stage. People are already having difficulties remembering they can't go up the expressways, much less remembering the time they are allowed up the viaducts. Some motorists can't even remember bus lane hours, much less asking cyclists to adhere to viaduct hours and asking drivers to be aware as well. 

Thirdly, you already know it as you said you only rode up the viaducts before 6am when traffic is really light. Our viaducts aren't build for cyclists in mind. If it is, viaducts won't be on the right side of our roads, but would be on the left so that cyclists aren't forced to filter right to go up, and then be forced again to filter left against incoming traffic once they come down. Not forgetting the original purpose of viaducts is to facilitate faster motorised vehicular traffic so as to prevent jams below. I say cyclists should give and take. Return back the viaducts to the drivers, in return ask for the right for space on the normal roads. 

Lastly, group size and single file. Single file is an absurd suggestion, it only sound good at this stage to drivers because they haven't kanna a long line of cyclists holding them back yet. I already pointed it out why its a bigger nuisance than a more compact group riding 2 abreast. From a cyclists perspective, a single file is an open invitation to allow some impatient drivers to risk it and squeeze past them. I might be wrong on the latter, but that's what I read online whenever riding 2 abreast debates come up on social media. 

If want to limit group size, what will be a good size then? Should it be 4 cyclists in a group? I say 4 is good because that's the footprint of a car. 2 cyclists in front, 2 cyclists at the back. Easy for drivers to gauge and overtake, easy for cyclists to adhere to. But, what happens when we have multiple groups of 4 bunching up on popular cycling routes over the weekends? Where's the end to all these so-called rules? Sounds good on paper but in real life, I don't see them as practical at all to drivers and cyclists alike. 

 

 

 

 

2 x 2 formation means they are hogging the entire lane. Safe for cyclists, delays and frustrations for buses (with 30, 50 pax on board) and whole lines of vehicles behind them. Roads serve a primary function of transporting people and goods from point A to point B, not for the amusement and entertainment of recreational cyclists. 

If single file, max 4 per group, and at least 50m between groups, I think most drivers probably can tolerate and try to give space to the single file while overtaking then. Remember a frustrated driver can easily turn into a reckless one. 

As for penalty for bikers, regular demerit points should apply if they are drivers. If not, then 1 month suspension from riding in lieu per point. If they choose to ride during suspension, then it should be jail time.

Again main issue is enforcement, enforcement, enforcement. Which reg plates will help. 

Edited May 12, 2021 by Volvobrick

[Fcw75]

26 minutes ago, Beregond said:

i only know those cyclist behind are breathing in the smoke directly  off the motorcycle

At least not a 2 stroke motorcycle. 😁
 

I suggest they use a electric motorcycle. Healthier for the cyclist too.

Edited May 12, 2021 by Fcw75

[Beregond]

1 minute ago, Fcw75 said:

At least not a 2 stroke motorcycle. 😁
 

I suggest they use a electric motorcycle. Healthier for the cyclist too.

yup.

but train in the cyclist lane pls, not on a public road

[Lethalstrike]

7 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

2 x 2 formation means they are hogging the entire lane. Safe for cyclists, delays and frustrations for buses (with 30, 50 pax on board) and whole lines of vehicles behind them. Roads serve a primary function of transporting people and goods from point A to point B, not for the amusement and entertainment of recreational cyclists. 

If single file, max 4 per group, and at least 50m between groups, I think most drivers probably can tolerate and try to give space to the single file while overtaking then. Remember a frustrated driver can easily turn into a reckless one. 

As for penalty for bikers, regular demerit points should apply if they are drivers. If not, then 1 month suspension from riding in lieu per point. If they choose to right during suspension, then it should be jail time.

Again main issue is enforcement, enforcement, enforcement. Which reg plates will help. 

If the concern is about holding up buses, there should be a rule which states single file on bus lanes at all times. On other roads with 2 or more lanes in the same direction, they should be allowed 2x2 only in the left most lane for good reasons. I think the current rule already states that they can only be 2 abreast on roads with 2 or more lanes in the same direction. 

Single file, max 4 per group sounds reasonable to me. But 50m enforcement between each group is a hard sell. We, motorists already guilty of tailgating, how do we expect them to do the same? As for frustrated driver, zero excuse for that to turn into a reckless one. We gone through so much to get a Class 3, that's for a good reason. Motorised vehicle can be turned into a killing machine, so responsibility is on us to manage our emotions at all times. 

Enforcement and licensing framework I can agree to as well. But from what I've read yesterday, I think their direction and focus are still on the 2 Es first (Education & Enforcement). 

 

[Lethalstrike]

30 minutes ago, Ody_2004 said:

I myself don't do group ride as I view it is very dangerous.. occasionally i join those small size group like 4/5.. not i wanna join but the pace n route same! whahahahahaha..

Honestly for group ride at 4 they not song one.. the peloton not big euff to gain the advantage.. 

Good on you to keep to a smaller group. While you are at it, call out and shout at the blacksheep road cyclists who don't stop for the lights. I feel if a fellow cyclist call them out on the roads, they have less inclination to say drivers are biased against them all the time. In fact, they are the very people why motorists treat all of you the same, as pests and public enemy no.1 after PMDs got banned. 

It's either continue to have a 30-40 sized peloton illegally (now is 5 right?), or don't complain when authorities really make it restrictive for you guys to ride recreationally on the roads. 

 

[Volvobrick]

7 minutes ago, Lethalstrike said:

If the concern is about holding up buses, there should be a rule which states single file on bus lanes at all times. On other roads with 2 or more lanes in the same direction, they should be allowed 2x2 only in the left most lane for good reasons. I think the current rule already states that they can only be 2 abreast on roads with 2 or more lanes in the same direction. 

Single file, max 4 per group sounds reasonable to me. But 50m enforcement between each group is a hard sell. We, motorists already guilty of tailgating, how do we expect them to do the same? As for frustrated driver, zero excuse for that to turn into a reckless one. We gone through so much to get a Class 3, that's for a good reason. Motorised vehicle can be turned into a killing machine, so responsibility is on us to manage our emotions at all times. 

Enforcement and licensing framework I can agree to as well. But from what I've read yesterday, I think their direction and focus are still on the 2 Es first (Education & Enforcement). 

 

In a 2 lane road 2 x 2 means road capacity reduced by 50%. And no I don't just mean buses. Could be school vans, lorries transporting workers, parents on school run, and any other faster motorised vehicles. Hold up 1 vehicle means there is a long tail of other vehicles behind that 1 vehicle. 

And eduction, unfortunately, has proven not to work. Just like littering problem, unapproved PMD causing fires etc. Most of us here only scared of big stick. A good example is mask wearing. After some trash permit kena revoked, then all guai guai wear masks.

[Lethalstrike]

4 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

In a 2 lane road 2 x 2 means road capacity reduced by 50%. And no I don't just mean buses. Could be school vans, lorries transporting workers, parents on school run, and any other faster motorised vehicles. Hold up 1 vehicle means there is a long tail of other vehicles behind that 1 vehicle. 

And eduction, unfortunately, has proven not to work. Just like littering problem, unapproved PMD causing fires etc. Most of us here only scared of big stick. A good example is mask wearing. After some trash permit kena revoked, then all guai guai wear masks.

As a motorist, we always complain other road users lower on the hierarchy of road hogging. I am guilty of this, I admit first. 😂

We take away the cyclists from the roads, then drivers of private cars will go back to complain about hogging commercial vehicles, motorbikes etc. Then we justify that cyclists are holding up everyone because they are recreational, but how do we know the drivers aren't? I could be driving on my way to Universal Studios for a fun day out. That hardly counts as being important such as transporting people to work/school, contributing to GDP etc. Then how do we know the cyclist isn't riding to work to contribute to GDP on a weekday, do I stop to wind down my window and ask him? 

As much as education is not the be all ends all, it is still very necessary to correct mindsets. It has to be there, hand in hand with proper enforcement to change mindsets.  

 

 

[Volvobrick]

Unfortunately recreational cyclists only contribute more to GDP when they get run down and sent to hospital. You drive your car to US? You burn petrol, pay parking, pay entrance fees.... That's 100 times more contribution to GDP. Unless cyclists causing others to burn more fuel cos they are stuck behind is considered their contributions.

[Lethalstrike]

1 minute ago, Volvobrick said:

Unfortunately recreational cyclists only contribute more to GDP when they get run down and sent to hospital. You drive your car to US? You burn petrol, pay parking, pay entrance fees.... That's 100 times more contribution to GDP. Unless cyclists causing others to burn more fuel cos they are stuck behind is considered their contributions.

If you justify it like this I had nothing to say 😅

How I wish I can tell that to IRAS that I contributed so much to GDP just by driving around, so that I am entitled to more tax breaks.

[Beregond]

47 minutes ago, Volvobrick said:

In a 2 lane road 2 x 2 means road capacity reduced by 50%. And no I don't just mean buses. Could be school vans, lorries transporting workers, parents on school run, and any other faster motorised vehicles. Hold up 1 vehicle means there is a long tail of other vehicles behind that 1 vehicle. 

And eduction, unfortunately, has proven not to work. Just like littering problem, unapproved PMD causing fires etc. Most of us here only scared of big stick. A good example is mask wearing. After some trash permit kena revoked, then all guai guai wear masks.

just now i am at jln ahmad ibrahim. from tuas toward pioneer . 2 leisure cyclist insists on cycling side by side taking up 1 lane, chatting with 1 another.

a container truck is struck in outside lane very very slow to overtake, needless to say all the rest of the vehicle struck behind the container truck

2 very selfish ppl, its not against the law, but damn selfish and inconsiderate