Mother of ALL JAMs in at Checkpoint

[inlinesix]

[Kklim]

This is very accurate: https://www.jalanow.com/johor-singapore-live-traffic-cam.htm

[weak_pig]

On 12/20/2022 at 3:28 PM, inlinesix said:

Why not super fast access?  Per trip SGD50.

Police escort all the way to counter.

how safe is this de? scali meet one siao on M'sian TP who don't take kopi $ how? Will kenna jail boh?

[weak_pig]

what could be causing this massive jam, especially JB to CIQ? I only know prior to the JB customs, they reduce the lanes from 6 lanes to 3, so is this the reason?

When reached CIQ, i saw quite a lot of booths opened, almost all of them in fact, but due to the earlier lane reduction, many of the booths not much queue.

[Wt_know]

https://mothership.sg/2022/12/woodlands-causeway-jam-7-hours/

bro said spent “quality 7 hours time” with family in a car is priceless …

watch netflix, tiktok and play mobile legend …

please include that 1/2 day itinerary as part of your jb trip

Edited December 22, 2022 by Wt_know

[Heartlander]

Seems not so jam right now. Less than 1hr at both checkpoints fr Googla map.

[Voodooman]

1 hour ago, Heartlander said:

Seems not so jam right now. Less than 1hr at both checkpoints fr Googla map.

Going in today should be fine. It is return trip that is scary.

[Meanmachine]

really funny, motorists wrote in to ask if jam or not, of course there will be jams and such, not being rude, if scare jam take plane lor, it has been year in year out, it is not a matter of 5/6/7 hours jam however both party are to be blamed for this, let talk about Sp side, the good , bad and helpful solution does not help much either...

Why good- as we can witnessed from ICA, they are doing a splendid job for out-going vehicles, the bad thing are the motorcycles lanes are being compromised that causes pollution of bikes exhaust bikes

Why Bad- Vehicles late are badly and poorly designed as the angle slight right are being compromised to an angle whereby Vehicles that are bigger than usual will be caught in a situation of barriers and very tight situation to be crushed or hit the rims and tyre thus causing damages to the exterior vehicles. it were very daunting trying to evade such obstacles, why do we have to install so many obstacles, humps and bumps upon leaving Singapore once passports has been cleared and secondary check has been completed ?? Ready too leave !!

The Ugly side of S'pore tail back situation lock-in with 2 components- Vehicles clashes taking 2 Delivery lorries lanes during evening hours with Motorists and the motorists are safely not either safer than norm, during peak hours many lorries entry are being slow down due to the front custom check for and some enforcement officer are forced to mitigate the situation by allowing motorists to enter the basement lanes to expedite the matter, which is good and fair, however these basement lanes has higher bumpers causes mayhem with potholes too which do not help, it was an exhausting experience.

With decades of custom design team ICA or LTA has failed to pin-point how to draft a crafted custom clearance, with Smooth flow traffic in-coming and out-going traffic. Lastly the CCTV on googles apps and others do not show the actual traffic congestion correctly, it illustrates poor judgement and waste of resources of 1/2 km of wasted data information, once the vehicles reaches the cushion area, it was as usual strawberries jam . yet we keep repeating the scenarios over and over again. LTA, CUSTOM ppl do not think and act like motorists 🤭

 

Hope Custom spicers read this post

[Voodooman]

21 minutes ago, Meanmachine said:

really funny, motorists wrote in to ask if jam or not, of course there will be jams and such, not being rude, if scare jam take plane lor, it has been year in year out, it is not a matter of 5/6/7 hours jam however both party are to be blamed for this, let talk about Sp side, the good , bad and helpful solution does not help much either...

Why good- as we can witnessed from ICA, they are doing a splendid job for out-going vehicles, the bad thing are the motorcycles lanes are being compromised that causes pollution of bikes exhaust bikes

Why Bad- Vehicles late are badly and poorly designed as the angle slight right are being compromised to an angle whereby Vehicles that are bigger than usual will be caught in a situation of barriers and very tight situation to be crushed or hit the rims and tyre thus causing damages to the exterior vehicles. it were very daunting trying to evade such obstacles, why do we have to install so many obstacles, humps and bumps upon leaving Singapore once passports has been cleared and secondary check has been completed ?? Ready too leave !!

The Ugly side of S'pore tail back situation lock-in with 2 components- Vehicles clashes taking 2 Delivery lorries lanes during evening hours with Motorists and the motorists are safely not either safer than norm, during peak hours many lorries entry are being slow down due to the front custom check for and some enforcement officer are forced to mitigate the situation by allowing motorists to enter the basement lanes to expedite the matter, which is good and fair, however these basement lanes has higher bumpers causes mayhem with potholes too which do not help, it was an exhausting experience.

With decades of custom design team ICA or LTA has failed to pin-point how to draft a crafted custom clearance, with Smooth flow traffic in-coming and out-going traffic. Lastly the CCTV on googles apps and others do not show the actual traffic congestion correctly, it illustrates poor judgement and waste of resources of 1/2 km of wasted data information, once the vehicles reaches the cushion area, it was as usual strawberries jam . yet we keep repeating the scenarios over and over again. LTA, CUSTOM ppl do not think and act like motorists 🤭

 

Hope Custom spicers read this post

The 2 crossing are just not designed to handle the peak hours traffic we are seeing during school holidays. I guarantee you at exchange rate of 1:1 and with removal of fuel duties, the design won't be an issue. 

Need to build 3rd crossing and speed up RTS link.

[Mkl22]

2 minutes ago, Voodooman said:

The 2 crossing are just not designed to handle the peak hours traffic we are seeing during school holidays. I guarantee you at exchange rate of 1:1 and with removal of fuel duties, the design won't be an issue. 

Need to build 3rd crossing and speed up RTS link.

Who’s gonna man the 3rd crossing? 
as is the counters on each side are already not fully utilized. 
don’t waste my tax dollars on unimportant things like borders to Malaysia. The 2 are already enough. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Mkl22

[Wt_know]

i support the idea of 3rd crossing because spore population already 5.5M > 7-8M coming and the current number of 300K people crossing borders every day going to increase to 500K in a few more years

if spore population and FW crossing borders are not increasing also means spore GDP is not increasing … jit ba boom

with so many new projects plan, T5, new BTO, new business park, etc - the demands in spore will grow and we need more workers and grow the pie

crossing borders to msia will be a serious chokepoint … even without school holiday … the current daily crossing already at 80-90% capacity and unsustainable 

every weekend before dec school holiday is already a problem

we can say why make it easier for sinkie to go jb spend money but that is a “release valve” for pressure cooker spore life

Edited December 23, 2022 by Wt_know

[Voodooman]

1 hour ago, Mkl22 said:

Who’s gonna man the 3rd crossing? 
as is the counters on each side are already not fully utilized. 
don’t waste my tax dollars on unimportant things like borders to Malaysia. The 2 are already enough. 

From personal experience, during peak hours on weekdays (not even talking about weekends and school holidays), more than 80-90% of SG counters are opened and yet the waiting time is easily more than 30-45 mins. 

Don't think our G will build anything that doesn't pay for itself. 

 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Voodooman

[Voodooman]

48 minutes ago, Wt_know said:

i support the idea of 3rd crossing because spore population already 5.5M > 7-8M coming and the current number of 300K people crossing borders every day going to increase to 500K in a few more years

if spore population and FW crossing borders are not increasing also means spore GDP is not increasing … jit ba boom

with so many new projects plan, T5, new BTO, new business park, etc - the demands in spore will grow and we need more workers and grow the pie

crossing borders to msia will be a serious chokepoint … even without school holiday … the current daily crossing already at 80-90% capacity and unsustainable 

every weekend before dec school holiday is already a problem

we can say why make it easier for sinkie to go jb spend money but that is a “release valve” for pressure cooker spore life

ICA/ LTA know the numbers and are planning ahead, no third crossing yet but they are expanding handing capacity at Woodlands.  

https://www.ica.gov.sg/news-and-publications/newsroom/media-release/redevelopment-and-extension-of-woodlands-checkpoint

[Wt_know]

projection is low and conservative …

only by 2050? sure bo …  

Edited December 23, 2022 by Wt_know

[Mkl22]

1 hour ago, Voodooman said:

From personal experience, during peak hours on weekdays (not even talking about weekends and school holidays), more than 80-90% of SG counters are opened and yet the waiting time is easily more than 30-45 mins. 

Don't think our G will build anything that doesn't pay for itself. 

 

We open 80-90% doesn’t mean boleh will be open the equivalent. 
with the RTS it will probably be the same since it’s almost one after the other. 
for me why bother if Malaysia doesn’t expand as well. Kenna played out once with the HSR.

I rather money be spent on changi. Rather not be beholden to a crappy neighbor. 

Edited December 23, 2022 by Mkl22

[Voodooman]

10 minutes ago, Mkl22 said:

We open 80-90% doesn’t mean boleh will be open the equivalent. 
with the RTS it will probably be the same since it’s almost one after the other. 
for me why bother if Malaysia doesn’t expand as well. Kenna played out once with the HSR.

I rather money be spent on changi. Rather not be beholden to a crappy neighbor. 

That is a different argument and needs to be resolved with MY but we also need to plan ahead.  

It is a fact that even with MY operating at 80-90% capacity, the current crossing at both ends are not able to cope with normal weekdays traffic volume during peak hours.

I propose to cut petrol tax. Wahaha....

 

[Voodooman]

51 minutes ago, Mkl22 said:

I rather money be spent on changi. Rather not be beholden to a crappy neighbor. 

Economic interdependence is good for both sides but agree we can't be held hostage by our unreliable neighbor.

Edited December 23, 2022 by Voodooman

[Meanmachine]

@Voodooman It will not change the mindset of motorists civic conscious mentality , No matter what has been removed. What ICA and JB Custom think are not Align at all, both hands do not clap togethe. 

I can only look forward to the introduction of MAC less stamping of passport whereby no required , now with 10 years expiry date with 64 pages also useless. U get what I meant ? 😁 Paying $70 a pop is mind boggling, in nio time we end upo opayijng more as rubber stamp logo is bigger now, one page can stamp 3 visits, now only 2 chop per page.🤪