Mercedes Benz's Engine Downsizing Strategy

[Thaiyotakamli]

On sgcarmart page seems e class ald facelifted

[Carbon82]

On 12/15/2020 at 10:34 PM, Vinceng said:

Seems like the E180 has been discontinued

https://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_overview.php?CarCode=12798

Notice that there is no mention of the 1.5L engine capacity in the E180

 

 

21 hours ago, Vinceng said:

I saw the 1.5L E180 being listed in sgcarmart just last month.

Probably discontinued as the price difference with the 2.0L E200 is marginal.

I am surprised that since you checkout sgcarmart almost every day, you are not aware that the facelift E-Class has been launched in Singapore officially last Thursday...

https://m.sgcarmart.com/articles/articleinfo.php?CT=n&AID=24186

For the facelift E-Class, the entry model is E200, no more E180 for now. Whether it will make a come back in the near future shall depend on Mercedes strategy for other market within the region (e.g. Vietnam, Philippines, etc.) 

[Vinceng]

I prefer the pre facelift E class look.

The facelifted E class rear lamp cluster somehow cheapens the image and snob appeal, resembling the base model A class and bread & butter Korean Kia K3

 

Facelifted E class

A Class saloon

Kia K3

Edited December 16, 2020 by Vinceng

[Knighthunter]

8 hours ago, Carbon82 said:

 

I am surprised that since you checkout sgcarmart almost every day, you are not aware that the facelift E-Class has been launched in Singapore officially last Thursday...

https://m.sgcarmart.com/articles/articleinfo.php?CT=n&AID=24186

For the facelift model, the entry model is E200, and no more E180 for now. Whether it will make a come back in the near future shall depend on Mercedes strategy for other market within the region (e.g. Vietnam, Philippines, etc.) 

The E180 last time VES C1 while E200 VES B M274/M264 engine that's why price gap is not that great. Now also confirmed in SG carmart that FL E200 M254 engine now is VES C1 (my collegues bought one next day after launching and delivery in Jan 2021). I think may be E180 will be back and may be price gap be wider since both VES C1

[camrysfe]

3 minutes ago, Knighthunter said:

The E180 last time VES C1 while E200 VES B M274/M264 engine that's why price gap is not that great. Now also confirmed in SG carmart that FL E200 M254 engine now is VES C1 (my collegues bought one next day after launching and delivery in Jan 2021). I think may be E180 will be back and may be price gap be wider since both VES C1

The FL w213 is using the same engine as the later batch of pre FL w213(2018 onwards), which is the m264 engine with 197ps and no eq boost. Not sure why the FL model is ves c1 whereas the old one isn't.

[Mkl22]

1 hour ago, camrysfe said:

The FL w213 is using the same engine as the later batch of pre FL w213(2018 onwards), which is the m264 engine with 197ps and no eq boost. Not sure why the FL model is ves c1 whereas the old one isn't.

Probably one of the pollutants just eeked past the limits. 

[Ct3833]

1 hour ago, camrysfe said:

The FL w213 is using the same engine as the later batch of pre FL w213(2018 onwards), which is the m264 engine with 197ps and no eq boost. Not sure why the FL model is ves c1 whereas the old one isn't.

Too complicated for me to understand, not sure if weight and tyre size play a part  , there was once the Altis has a surcharge on the higher spec model but not on the  standard model, both models had exactly the same engine.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Ct3833

[inlinesix]

6 minutes ago, Ct3833 said:

Too complicated for me to understand, not sure if weight and tyre size play a part  , there was once the Altis has a surcharge on the higher spec model but not on the  standard model, both models had exactly the same engine.

Pre-FL CO2: 149g/km;    hp: 135kw

FL CO2: 176g/km;           hp: 145kw

Increase in 10kw of hp

(from LTA fuel cost calculator)

[camrysfe]

3 minutes ago, inlinesix said:

Pre-FL CO2: 149g/km;    hp: 135kw

FL CO2: 176g/km;           hp: 145kw

Increase in 10kw of hp

(from LTA fuel cost calculator)

the later batch of pre fl w213 also used the 145kw engine. It is essentially the same engine and only lta knows the answer.

[inlinesix]

7 minutes ago, camrysfe said:

the later batch of pre fl w213 also used the 145kw engine. It is essentially the same engine and only lta knows the answer.

There are too many variant of E200 with 145kw engine in LTA Fuel Cost Calculator

B

E200 SEDAN AMG LINE (R18 LED SR)

E200 SEDAN AVG (R18 LED)

E200 SEDAN AVG (R18 LED SR)

E200 SEDAN EXECUTIVE (R18 LED)

E200 SEDAN EXECUTIVE (R18 LED SR)

C1

E200 SEDAN AMG LINE 

E200 SEDAN AMG LINE (R18 LED)

E200 SEDAN AVG

E200 SEDAN EXECUTIVE

Maybe can look at the spec including wheel size to explain why

[Knighthunter]

The FL E200 engine code is M254 new generation with ISG integration(internal starter generator)

While what I got in Nov 2020 registered E200  pre FL is M264 145kW this is engine is for BSG integration (belt starter generator)

Both per-FL and FL EQ system opted out for local AD.

so W213 E200 got 3 types of engine M274 & M265 pre-FL and M254 for FL version. 

 

M274 135 kW

M264 145 kW

M254 145 kW

Edited December 17, 2020 by Knighthunter

[Knighthunter]

https://mercedesblog.com/new-mercedes-four-cylinder-engine-m254-and-om654-m-with-isg-and-48v-system/

 

I think for pre-FL E200 with M264 without EQ only limited run in SG and MY models

[Carbon82]

Is Mercedes reversing its downsizing strategy after more than 5 years?

Downsizing Be Damned: More Mercedes Models Could Get a V-8

Mercedes-Benz is adamant that there’s still a place in an electrified automotive world for a large-displacement engine. Despite increasingly stringent emissions regulations, the AMG performance division is hard at work preparing an all-new V-8. Not only will it power existing eight-cylinder models, but it could also be shoehorned into cars that currently don’t have as many cylinders.

AMG head honcho Michael Schiebe told Car and Driver that engineers in Affalterbach are developing a new V-8. Although Mercedes previously described it as a "next-generation, high-tech electrified V-8," Schiebe says AMG doesn’t "necessarily need to go that far on hybridization." He notes that track enthusiasts prefer the pure ICE experience of the GT63 Pro over the heavier plug-in hybrid GT63 S E-Performance, even if the latter delivers more oomph.

Why is Mercedes betting on V-8s when just about everyone else is downsizing? AMG has realized there’s still solid demand for eight-cylinder luxury cars and wants to "fill customers’ dreams." It has run the numbers and determined that investing in a large engine will likely pay off in the long term. Schiebe emphasized the V-8 still has "some years" ahead, even though the European Union will effectively ban sales of new gas cars starting in 2035. Beyond the 27 EU countries, however, the rest of the world, where regulations are less strict, still represents a big market. AMG cited the United States as a prime example.

Although the new V-8 could see broader use, it sadly won’t be returning to the C63 anytime soon. In a statement to Motor1 earlier this year, an AMG spokesperson refuted rumors of restoring the C63’s missing four cylinders. A wild rumor from Germany last month even suggested that Mercedes might cancel the C63 and replace it with a six-cylinder C53. We reached out at that point for clarification, but the company declined to comment on the speculation, so take it with a grain of salt.

If the V-8 C63 isn’t coming back, we can only hope AMG will make things right with the upcoming CLE63 and give the high-performance coupe the engine it deserves. Lest we forget that the V-8 isn’t even the biggest engine Mercedes offers. The company recently pledged to keep the mighty V-12 alive, a twin-turbo 6.0-liter powerhouse reserved for the S-Class. Well, the Pagani Utopia also uses a twelve-cylinder engine from AMG.

The twelve-cylinder engine is a dying breed. BMW dropped it three years ago, and Audi hasn’t sold a W-12 car since 2017. Bentley’s version of the W-12 was discontinued about a year ago. Ferrari, Aston Martin, Rolls-Royce, Lamborghini, and Gordon Murray Automotive still offer V-12s, while Bugatti has gone even further, developing a bonkers V-16.

[ER-3682]

Because their new C63 with a 2.0 Engine + Hybrid Motor is a Failure,even German & American Petrolheads also won't buy,so no choice need to go back to V8.

[ER-3682]

Look at current F-1 V6 + Hybrid's Sound,is it a far-cry from the V10 in 2008 & the later V8.?

[ER-3682]

Why i bought a BMW M240i.?I don't need that Power,it is the Straight 6's Engine Sound for Enjoyment,Salesman said 218i is more than enough Power for my type of Driving.

[Mkl22]

On 5/13/2025 at 7:01 AM, ER-3682 said:

Why i bought a BMW M240i.?I don't need that Power,it is the Straight 6's Engine Sound for Enjoyment,Salesman said 218i is more than enough Power for my type of Driving.

Alas an incompetent salesman. Don’t know customers wants. 

[inlinesix]

On 5/13/2025 at 7:01 AM, ER-3682 said:

Why i bought a BMW M240i.?I don't need that Power,it is the Straight 6's Engine Sound for Enjoyment,Salesman said 218i is more than enough Power for my type of Driving.

Not much sound the way you drive and driving on this island😜