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  1. Hi Guys.. When will the Shell Sonax Car wash be back to normal price?
  2. kobayashiGT

    MCF HangOut with Sonax X Renault

    MCF HangOut with Sonax X Renault 17th Nov 2018 Renault Showroom | 28 Leng Kee Rd S(159105) Detailing your car not only keeps it clean but can also help it to look great and perform better over the long run. If you have not yet detailed your car for the longest time. We would like to invite you down to this MCF HangOut with Sonax X Renault. We will be conducting our car grooming car clinic at the Renault showroom this time, so in an up close you can have a better understanding of DIY'car grooming! [JOIN US AND LEARN MORE ABOUT CAR GROOMING] 1300 – Registration starts! 1315 – Opening Speech from Sonax and Renault 1330 – Sonax Car Clinic 1500 – Continental Hi-Tea Buffet 1515 – Lucky Draw and Group Photos 1530 – Test Drive, Every test drive will recieve an Exclusive Renault Goodie Bag worth $123 with every test drive (One goodie bag per participants). And here are the three chosen benefits of keeping your car clean! 1) Enhanced Image A clean car says a lot about you. You only get a one chance to make a first impression... Make it a great one by starting with Sonax Gloss Shampoo Concentrate. 2) Lower Maintenance and Repair Costs Vehicle owners agree. . . A clean vehicle means lower costs. Proper car care maintenance improves vehicle’s appearance and makes one feel good and proud when driving. Protecting your car will result in significant savings in the long run without having the need for regular visits to expensive detailers. SONAX Xtreme Spray & Seal is a super easy to use DIY sealant that acts just like an expensive paint coating 3) Health You may not realise it, but the interior of your car is full of germs carried in by passengers that get in and out of your car (including yourself). Regularly use of Sonax A/C Power Cleaner cleans the air conditioner unit and provide a fresh fragrance in the interior! [COME JOIN MCF HANGOUT with Sonax X Renault]
  3. MCF Hangout with Sonax at Autobacs Learn how to groom your car with the industry expert. Hello to all the grooming enthusiast out there! Good news for you guys! We have partnered with Sonax Singapore. A renowned grooming brand that you may have used one of its 200 products that are all available in Singapore. Why does driver groom their car? With the advancement of grooming products that is available in Singapore such as paint protection, Paint Protection Films and Sealant and wax, There are abundant of choices for you drivers to choose. As a driver myself, we all like our car to be clean and sparkly. It's our pride to drive a clean and shiny car rather than a car that is covered with dirt and tars. And we are glad to invite Sonax Singapore to share with us about a once a week grooming regime where you can keep your car in tip-top condition. And with the rising numbers of paint protection users on the road, we will also be sharing the grooming tips for these customers. Paint protection is an excellent investment to your car paintwork. So swing by and see how this works! Okay, so I need to bring my bucket and cloth down? Is this a mega wash? To find you the most conducive venue for you guys to understand the weekly grooming routine, we have arranged to host the event at Autobacs, Ubi. And so once you have understood what to do for your next car wash, you can start by buying your Sonax products there at a discounted price! Alrighty. Like to wash a car? Register Here~! We will select 25 members to join us for this event. So register earlier to secure a slot! RSVP NOW! The Management of MCF will remunerate the registration fee with Maz Nitro Fuel Additive 50ml x 3 (Worth $39.90) during the event. Last date of registriation is 24 June 2018. Programme specially lined up for you 930 – registration start 1000 – Event Start – Opening Speech by Autobacs 1015 – Car Clinic – Autobacs, why preventive maintenance is the way to go 1030 – Car Clinic – Sonax hands on! Sharing with you guys the best way to groom a car! 1115 – Tea break 1130 – Giveaway quizzes, Win attractive prizes 1145 – Group Photos / End of event
  4. Hi all, we have something exciting that we would like to share with you guys. We would like to spice out the detailing folder by adding an all-new contest called Detailing's TOTM! Detailing TOTM (Thread of the Month) is to find out quality thread monthly that can help the readers to their car detailing journey. If you are a car detailing enthusiast and have knowledge about car detailing, do post a thread and share with us anything relates to car detailing. We will be starting this contest from now till 30th of Nov 2017! Winner will be an announcement through their thread and also this thread! We will judge based on content, praises and pageviews. Each month, there will be one thread winner that will walk away with exclusive goodies that are worth $150++! *Pictures are for illustration only. Actual prizes may vary. Start creating your own detailing's thread! We would also like to take this chance to promote on thread ownership. We hope that all the thread that have valuable content will help readers and members who face the same issues or problems. We would like to encourage thread starter to keep the thread alive and make it more meaningful for this community! This Detailing's TOTM is proudly brought to you by SONAX Singapore. SONAX - Cleaning and polishing like a professional. A market leader in car care product in Germany, and one of the leading manufacturers worldwide. The brand is represented in 100 countries around the globe including Singapore. For more than 60 years, the company has been developing and manufacturing high-performance car care products, to satisfy the highest requirements, in Neuberg an der Donau. Whether it's in motorsports, in the tuning scene or in the world of classic cars; When it comes to the perfect presentation of automobiles. SONAX will always be on hand, for car fans and experts.
  5. Ahbengdriver

    SONAX rim cleaner

    Anyone tried and is it that good? Read in the FOC car newspaper buying guide at petrol stations that its a PH neutral non corrosive, spray and rinse off kind of cleaner and suppose to be very effective. Said SPC got sell this but I see no have stock de.
  6. We will first like to thank MCF for having us into this wonderful community of car lovers. 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S609966 (Near to Jurong East MRT) Monday to Saturday 9am to 7pm. Closed on Sundays and Public Holidays For Enquries, please SMS / Whatsapp Bryan 9146 5566 David 9879 2202 We will get back to you the soonest we can! Cheerios to the MCF Community. We hope to be of great service for all of you. Warmest Regards, B'Shine Crew
  7. Extremme

    Sonax PPS

    Is this a good deal from SONAX
  8. whiz18

    Sonax vs cquartz

    any mcf-members can share their experience between this two products? can't find any related comparison posts here aside from those shop-related posts marketing their own product.
  9. Guys,just like to warn bros out there about this shop located at stamford tyres. I am a hobbyist groomer and am very careful with the washing and grooming techniques when washing or polishing my car. But as all would know,swirls marks are inevitable. Paint condition of my car is still very new since my car is only about 1 year old. So when i came across this deal at deal.com.sg : http://deal.com.sg/recent-deals/40-sonax-c...minor-scratches I thought i could give it a try since Sonax is pretty well known and there was a 40% saving. Enquired before purchasing the package and was confirmed that the package does defect remover. So took the plunge and bought the package in January 2011 as i wanted to remove the swirl marks on my ride. Sent my car down on march for the grooming.Initially was told that it would require 6 hours for it,but car was done in less than 3 hours. Suspected something was not right,i asked the worker there and they told me that they did only hand polish. Unhappy with it,i called the boss up. He insisted that they did machine polishing until i told him that the worker has already confessed that they did hand polish only. Only then that he admitted it, told me that i should have told them that i wanted swirl remover and that the lighting condition there made it difficult for them to detect the swirls.I told him off straight,they are the professionals and should know how to inspect the paint condition instead of waiting for customers to tell them.Furthermore,the package is a full complete car grooming which was supposed to be sold at $230.Will anyone pay $230 for hand polishing? In the end,the boss agreed to compensate me with a swirl remover session.I reluctantly accepted the offer. Sent my car down last week for the swirl remover session.Took only 2 hours for the whole session as they only did the exterior.I was there when they started to polish my car,only after confirming that the workers used machine polish did i left the place.When collecting the car,it was raining so did not really check the car condition. The next morning under sunlight,to my horror not only did they not remove swirl marks,they inflicted holograms on the whole car.Really give up on the groomer so decided not to pursue the matter further.Just my luck!
  10. Hello Members! Save the Date! Sun, 25th May 2014, Stamford Tyres & Sonax Car Clinic at Stamford Tyres HQ! Attendees will also walk away with more than a handful of FREE products (Total worth up to $1,680) We’re back! After our maiden, yet highly successful, car clinic in March, MCF is back with another one. This time, MCF is collaborating with Stamford Tyres, Bosch Singapore and Sonax Singapore to conduct another Car Clinic Session - just for our Premium Members! Stamford Tyres will share basic car maintenance tips while Sonax Singapore will be focusing on car care tips. Also the, event will see the debut of new Continental MC5 (18-inch and above) in addition to Continental CC5 (16-inch to 18-inch) tyres. Sonax Singapore will also introduce the Sonax Xtreme Protect + Shine Hybird NPT. Free Products that you will bring away: Check the spoiler! · Shell Engine Oil Servicing Package - $138 · Bosch Aerotwin Wipers - $50 >> www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=8614 · Bosch Platinum Iridium Fusion Spark Plugs (Must be installed during the event day) - $70 >> www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=3843 · Sonax Xtreme BrillantShine Detailer - $28 >> www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=8328 · Sonax Xtreme Wheel Cleaner - $24 >> http://www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=6893 · Sonax Microfiber Cloth - $12 >> www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=8428 Event programme (09.00am – 09.30am) Registration & Breakfast. (09.30 am – 10.30am) Continental tyres Car Clinic & basic maintenance of a car, conducted by specialist from Stamford Tyres. (10.30am – 12.00pm) Servicing and Installation of the Bosch Platinum Iridium Fusion Spark plugs & Bosch Aerotwin Wipers (12.00pm – 12.30pm) Light Refreshment (12.30 am – 13.00pm) Sonax Car Clinic (13.00pm – 13.30pm) Wrap-up + Lunch (Retail Sales, Q&A, Photo taking session with members, collection of sponsor products) Who qualifies to join: - 2nd gear and above - A Premium member (if not, upgrade for FREE by hitting the link >> http://www.mycarforu...remiumbenefits) - Only the first 40 members who make payment before the 14th of May will be entitled to a spot Registration Fee: - One Pax - $12 - One Pax + Partner - $14 (Partners will not get the free items) To Register: 1. Submit the payment. >> http://www.mycarforu...ection=mcfevent 2. Write your nick below + wheel size 3. Make sure all your details in your personal profile page are correct. We will use the contact information from there. Registration closes on 14th May Terms & Conditions 1. It is a requirement for the participants to support the sponsors by writing reviews of the products you receive. Instructions will be provided during and after the event 2. Bosch Platinum Iridium Spark Plugs needs to be installed on the day itself for product review purpose. Participants who do not wish to install you are not entitled to the Spark Plugs Venue: Stamford Tyres HQ. 19 Lok Yang Way Singapore 628635 So what are you waiting for, register now! Places are limited to the first 40 premium members only! Hurry!
  11. SonaxSingapore

    All about Tyre Care

    http://www.autogeekonline.net/forum/product-reviews/27621-review-sonax-full-effect-wheel-cleaner.html http://www.sonax.com/Care-Tips/Wheel-Rims Highly effective acid-free special cleaner for all types of steel and light alloy wheels. Easily removes even the most stubborn dirt, such as burnt-on brake dust, oil and rubber residue and other road dirt.
  12. Hi anyonem anyone knows what is the difference od these 2 and which can help protect paint better? Tks all.
  13. Hello Members! Save the Date! 15 March 2014! Bosch HQ! MCF is collaborating with Bosch & Sonax to conduct a Car Clinic Session for our exclusive MCF Premium Members! Bringing the experts, Bosch will cover topics about car maintainence & Sonax will share on how to groom your car to have a brilliant shine! Bosch & Sonax will also give FREE Products to EACH participant (Total worth $254) - Sonax Xtreme BrillantShine Detailer - $28 >> http://www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=8328 - Bosch Aerotwin Wipers - $50 >> http://www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=8614 - Bosch Dot 4 Brake Fluid - $70 >> http://www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=3851 - Bosch Platinum Iridium Spark Plug - $70 >> http://www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=3843 - Sonax Rim Cleaner - $24 >> http://www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=8409 - Sonax Microfibre Cloth - $12 >> http://www.sgcarmart.com/products/overview.php?ID=8428 - Bosch Dual USB car charger Agenda of the Event: [09.00AM – 09.30AM] Registration & Breakfast. [09.30AM – 11.00AM] Bosch Car Clinic [11.00AM – 11.30AM] Light Refreshment [11.30AM – 12.15PM] Sonax Car Clinic [12.15PM – 13.00PM] Wrap-up + Lunch (Retail Sales, Q&A, Photo taking session with members, Distributing of sponsor products ) *Updated 13 March 2014 Who qualifies to join: - You must be of 3rd gear and above - You must be a Premium member (if not yet, upgrade here : http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?section=premiumbenefits) - Only the first 30 members who makes payment will be entitled to a spot Registration Fee: - One Pax - $12 - One Pax + Partner - $14 (Partners will not get the free products) To Register: 1. Submit the payment. >> http://www.mycarforum.com/index.php?section=mcfevent 2. Write your nick below 3. Make sure all your details in your personal profile page are correct. We will use the contact information from there. Registration closes on 7th March Venue: Bosch HQ 11 Bishan St 21, Singapore 573943 Quick, register now! Limited to 30 premium members only! First come first serve basis. MCF will give out NEW MCF Stickers during the event too!
  14. Akram_saheed

    Bosch & Sonax MCF Car Clinic

    After several years, I found myself waking up at the early hours of the morning. Armed with no more than a (single) handful of hours of sleep. I grabbed my red bull and took a cab down to MyCarForum’s first car clinic session held at the Bosch Headquarters together with Sonax. It was alarming to see a small number of enthusiastic forum members, including the legendary Radx (left), arriving at the venue earlier than most others. Post registration, the members were free to mingle around the reception area. With no digital interface to hide behind, the 30-odd participants were unmasked and for some, it was the first time they saw the members in person. The only means of identification were the white labels with their names matched to their MCF user ids. Old pals rekindled while new friendships were made. The pre-event segment also provided an occasional opportunity to mix with the MCF team that were present. Concurrently the carpark area had a small gathering, and was bustling with activity. MCF stickers were being applied on several cars. Spotting brand new designs, the stickers were available in three colours of white, silver and yellow - and once again white seemed to be the crowd favourites this year. After light breakfast, it was time for a group picture. In the age of iPhones and selfies, it was refreshing to see someone with a DSLR taking a proper picture. Subsequently the members were gathered at a meeting room where Country Manager, Ken Lee officially kick started the event with a short introduction of Bosch. He went through the brief history of the company, several products Bosch has pioneered in the automotive industry and the position of the German titan within the local automotive industry. For example, I learnt that Borneo Motors and Kah Motors utilise Bosch batteries for their cars – including Toyota, Lexus and Honda. And little did I know Bosch were one of the key firms to establish cutting edge technologies including start-stop systems, energy recovery systems or even lighting technology, among others. Ken was candid and was keen to answer any questions that were thrown at him. He handled the crowd well, and in a clever manner, evaded certain questions. Let alone his position, his product knowledge was inspiring. Once the introduction was over, the group was split to three groups. A mini-ice breaking session was held by the group leaders where everyone introduced themselves. An added aspect of the ice breaking session saw members drawing questions from envelopes and answering them faithfully as possible. The questions range from asking your favourite F1 team to the number of points you scored for your driving test. Then it was the start of the Bosch car clinic - comprising a station for brake pads, batteries and wipers respectively. The product specialists from Bosch were present to give a simple but concise explanation of the products. The explanations were easy to understand and the product knowledge the specialists possessed were remarkable. They answered any and every question patiently, intelligently and with in-depth knowledge. And most importantly with a smile. After a short tea break, the event resumed with the second half of the car clinic - Sonax.The clinic was led by Davin who went in detail and demonstrated the key issues when handling car maintenance. He demonstrated various Sonax products including car shampoo, leather treatment products, car wax and car sealant. Making its debut at the event was the brand new, Sonax XTREME Protect + shine Hybrid Net Protection Technology sealant. While already on sale in overseas markets, the DIY sealant – as advertised by Davin – offers a wax free high gloss coat for your car at probably a fraction of price to conventional paint protectors. The XTREME Protect+Shine covers your cars paintwork with a glossy protective coating for protection that is touted to last every quarter along with enhancing the bodyworks colour that is mildly better than showroom condition. As demonstrated by Davin, the results were almost immediate and impressed the members. The application is easy and almost effortless, with no pre-treatment or drying times. Of course this being Singapore, many questions were raised on its effectiveness against bird droppings – and lets just say the best way to treat bird droppings is to address the issue as soon as possible! The event concluded mid-day with scrumptious food catered by Bosch and a sales of retail items from Bosch and Sonax. After catching up with their forum friends, the members started to head home, after collecting their goodie bag which had, among others, spark plugs and wipers that were custom to their vehicle. Throughout the event, the members were candid. None complained, none made faces or a fuss and everyone had a ball of a time and were sporty for anything the organisers were willing to throw at them. At the end of the day, as the organiser started packing up, the question on most members’ lips was, “When is the next event?”
  15. Ak007

    Sonax wheel cleaner

    Hi All, Have extra 2 bottles of Sonax wheel cleaner. Purchased by friend during 2 for $25 offer . Self collect at Bukit Batok..... SMS to 83009988 . Thanks and regards,
  16. Bigass

    SONAX Xtreme Clearview

    Anyone using this product? Saw some automotive shop also selling the small little 25ml bottle kind Is it really very effective as in helping to get a clear view during rain? Does it hurt our windscreen surface like R**n*x ?
  17. YEN96

    Sonax, Waxco or Magic 101

    anyone using this products ? Sonax - polish + wax nano grey blue bottle 250ml ( a bit expensive at $20+ ) Waxco Silicone wax - RM 10 from JB 200ml ( cheap wax that leave light shine n smooth surface ) Magic 101 - RM16 red bottle for 400ml polish wax
  18. hi anyone done up their ride at this outlet? the sonax at 03-01 amk autopoint friend is considering this
  19. Abba


    Got some SONAX pdts fm the Motorshow. Got some discount as well. They are also Official sponsor for McLaren F1 team. The Nano Pro Extreme series is real good stuff . Easy to buff off with minimal dust as compared to other brands I've used b4. http://www.sonax.com/sonax-e/katalog_cat.php?show_cat=6
  20. Mahjong74

    Grooming Using Sonax Products

    Sent my car to Imperial 1 for grooming using Sonax products. Heard that Sonax is good but don't really expect the end results to be so good. Very wet looking with depth. The process as below: 1. Bodywork SONAX Shampooing 2. Bodywork SONAX Clay Lackpeeling 3. SONAX NanoPro Surface Treatment 4. SONAX NanoPro Polish 5. SONAX NanoPro Hardwax Sealant I will buy some of the sonax products and maintain it myself.
  21. Fatkelvinlee

    Where did SONAX go!!??

    Hi fellow bros and sisters Just a question. I had my car detailed at SONAX along upper paya lebar road a few months back, and suddenly when i went back to find the shop, it is no longer there! The old number i had also got lost and I cant seem to find them! Queries to the new shop owner also drew a big blank. Any kind souls willing to share this info or know where else in Singapore has detail shops that use SONAX stuff? Im impressed with SONAX cos of the level of shine and durability after just 1 session. Hope to hear from anyone! thanks!
  22. Dexlee

    SONAX...where can I buy it?

    Guys, anyone knows where can I get the SONAX Xtreme Shampoo 2 in 1 Wash? Tried Autobac but they don't have the shampoo, only got other sonax product. Thanks
  23. SONAX got promo @ Super Imports Nights, although I dun need it yet but decided to sve some $$ Every S$60 spent get F1 gift worth $20
  24. W13ng

    Sonax clay

    hi ...... anyone use this clay before....feedback pls
  25. hi bro..... anyone can advise on this product. Think both have cleaning properties. Can OPS mix with JW product.